A Second Thing Plugged into the Mac Is a Disaster State

This is Comfort Zone, a MacStories podcast all about putting the hosts, well, outside of their comfort zone. I'm Christopher Lawley. You might know me from websites such as YouTube. And with me every week is Matt Birchler. Matt, how are you doing? Chris, I am doing so good and I'm so terrified. I'm so happy with how the first episode went. Everyone has been super, super nice and people seem to like it and that's awesome. but I'm looking at our show notes right now and the challenge for next week is redacted. I have no idea what it's going to be

and this is the amount of terror slash joy that I think you're going to just expect from the show. Yep, absolutely. I mean, this whole show is just about like just pushing us to do wacky things. Also with us every week is Niléane. Niléane, how are you doing and why is, well, I guess we'll find out why your challenge is redacted a little later. I don't know how that happened. I'm not sure. Maybe it's a bug. Today, I'm going to talk about bugs.

Yeah, it's going to be fun. But I'm fine, yeah. Okay, all right. Well, this is going to be an interesting one. Like Matt said, thank you to everyone that listened to episode one. The reception was amazing. We are so excited to be doing this show. We're so excited to be a part of Mac Stories. The reception was great. And I'm so excited just to do this show every week with the two of you and have the rest of you listen to it. So let's just dive right into it. Matt, I believe you are up first.

What do you have for us this week? Yeah. So this week I am bringing a web app. And to get the idea of what this is, I'm never going to start with just what I'm talking about. I'm always going to do context. The context of this is you may have noticed a few weeks ago, Google rolled out their AI search answers to everyone. They started to roll them out to everyone. And I think you guys can correct me if I'm wrong. I think those have gone off pretty smoothly. There's been no real issues.

Yeah, that went well. I believe I'm supposed to be putting glue into my pizza cheese now. Try it. It's great. I love it. It pairs well with the rocks. it only makes sense. So what if there was a product that cost $20 a month and was just those AI answers? And that's what I tried for the last few weeks, an app called Perplexity. And people

love Perplexity. Like I think of Perplexity as one of those apps, kind of like Obsidian or Arc browser or something like that where like the people who like it really really like it and want to talk about it and evangelize for it um i don't think it's quite as big as those maybe it is but like if you if someone uses perplexity you will know because they will talk about it um because they love it um so let me kind of explain what perplexity is trying to do um first and then i'm really curious what you guys want to know about it. So the idea of perplexities is kind of a new

search engine. It's a box on a screen. You type in the thing you're looking for and it generates a response for you, right? Arc search does basically the same thing. I have complicated feelings about Arc search. You can also upload files to it and ask a questions about those files. They have a voice interface. You can kind of talk to it on their iOS and Android apps. And it's kind of a power user. sort of service. You can just use it with its default settings, but if you want to go in, you can actually change whether it's using ChatGPT

or Claude or Llama as its kind of LLM backend. You can choose, it does some image generation, so you can choose Dolly or Stable Diffusion or there's a third one I forget. But it's kind of like a power user search engine powered by an LLM. Yeah, so you type in a thing, it does the Googling for you, as Google says, it loads the content from those sites, it feeds it into an LLM, and it spits out a couple paragraphs of text.

So I'll give you some examples of what I've used it for and what I think about it, but how compelling is this to you guys? Is this an interesting thing? Is this a thing you're into or not really i need some confusion cleared um i think so i'm paying for raycast ai the raycast pro whatever their subscription is called and you can choose to use perplexity for ai commands in it

so i'm confused they have their they don't have their own models right they sort of do they have something called perplexity ai i think they call it and i believe that's built on top of llama so meta's open source model so i'm not sure how custom it is um okay but yeah so they have their own model which i don't use um and then they have the product and i think those are separate things so i'm guessing in raycast when you're selecting what model you want to use you're using their model

you're not getting the full kind of perplexity web search experience, I'm guessing. Yeah, that would make sense. But apart from that, what you're describing as a product sounds like nightmarish to me. Feels like the worst part of it all. They're just keeping the worst part of it, right? Just the AI generated responses. Pretty much. so yeah so what i've used it for is i've tried to use it as a full search replacement which it sucks as in my opinion um oh no so the reason it sucks is that everything with an lm even with

the newest like gpt4.0 which is quicker um it just takes longer than a normal search right if you're used to Google or Bing or DuckDuckGo or whatever, like you hit enter. And within like a second, you have responses, you have answers and you can kind of click into them. With this, it takes you like hit enter. You can see it using the LLM to like reformat your question into Google search results or search queries. It then sends those to Google to do the searches.

It then pulls in the info that takes like, I don't know, three to five seconds. then the LLM starts working. That's another 10 to 30 seconds depending on how fast things are going right now, how complicated the question was. And so it's taking like 30 seconds easily every time I do a search to see the answer, which is not great. So I've asked a couple things that I thought it was actually pretty good at. So we're recording this on Friday, June 7th and Summer Game Fest is today at a certain point, I wanted to know when it was.

So I just typed that into perplexity, and it gave me the answer nicely, quickly, again, 30 seconds or whatever. And so it did a pretty good job there. I tried it on Google as well, and the first search result was watch Summer Game Fest at 12 p.m. Central, which was exactly the answer and took one second. But anyway, perplexity at least answered the question, right? But then I asked it some questions like, What are people saying about the Acolyte, the new Star Wars trailer or show? For our challenge this week, I had to figure out how to put my DualSense controller into pairing mode so I could pair it with my iPad.

And I asked it how to do that, and it gave me kind of step-by-step instructions. I asked how to convert a JSX file to an HEIC file on my Mac. Apparently JSX is like an HDR image format that windows supports, but Mac doesn't. So I asked all these questions and it gave me these answers. The problems were it took a long time to answer again. So I wasn't getting the answer like right away. I thought the answer to like, what are people saying about the acolyte were kind of helpful because it was like, here's the good things people say, here's the middling things, here's

the bad things. And I was like, okay. And then out of curiosity, I was like, what are people saying about Dune part two? What are people saying about these other things that just came out? And the answers were like exactly the same things. So it wasn't actually helpful. Like I have a pet peeve against like Rotten Tomatoes. Like, oh, this movie is a 77%. And this was like even worse. This was like, well, some people say good things. Some people say bad things. There's no nuance. Who knows?

So the answers weren't super helpful. And sometimes they were just wrong. Like on that question about how do I convert the image from one format to another? It said I can use preview on the Mac or I can just right click it and run a shortcut. Or I could do like all these other things. But like none of those worked. Those were totally hallucinated and weren't real things you could do. So what I found was perplexity does give you the search results. They're kind of hidden and they're minimized. by default. Actually, not by default, just they are always minimized. You always have to expand to see them. So you can click into the links that it found. But at that point, you're just looking at

an unsorted list of Google search results. And at that point, I don't know why I'm not just searching Google to get something reliable. So I think the problem for me was that the answers weren't reliable enough so that even when it gave me an answer that looked correct, I was still having to find the link where they got that info to make sure that's actually the right answer, which at that point, it's not super useful. Yeah, you don't trust it. Yeah, exactly.

And then, Nelian, you mentioned the other thing. I just don't like this concept at all. as someone who makes things on the internet. I don't like the idea that they're like, hey, don't worry about browsing the internet. Don't worry about watching videos or listening to podcasts. We'll just do it for you and then give you a sentence or two about it that might or might not be right. Like, I don't like that. It feels like Napster to me.

Like they're just stealing all of the value that's been created out there and then presenting it as their own. and Napster you know I didn't use Napster because I didn't have a Windows computer at the time but I understand why people did the music industry was kind of a mess and things evolved we still have music like people can still make some money doing it but if this is if this becomes popular I think the internet will adapt and people will figure out ways to monetize the things they do

but I just really don't like the idea that they're effectively stealing everything and presenting it as their own and treating like browsing the web or learning things on your own as kind of silly things that we don't need to do anymore because we have robots. So that was another thing. I wasn't really planning on keeping this forever for that reason alone, but I wanted to try it out because people are very excited about it. And yeah, for me, it's just it's not the right thing for me. I'm still going to stick with a traditional search engine, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm right there with you guys. Like the whole like AI, we're going to gobble up the whole internet and then spit out results for you. Just feel gross, especially as somebody that makes a living. I mean, we all do. We all make, we all make money in some form from putting stuff on the internet, whether it's this podcast or blogs or YouTube stuff. Like the other a couple of weeks ago when the CTO of chat of OpenAI couldn't answer the question of, oh, is chat GPT trained on YouTube videos?

It was like, oh, I don't know. I mean, it absolutely is. It 100% is. And they're not going to admit it because they know we could sue them and be like, yeah, you need to license our videos because we own the rights to those videos. It's just like, you know, anytime somebody tries to download a YouTube video and re-upload it as their own, the original person on YouTube that uploaded that video has the rights to force them to take that video down. It is, you know, if somebody uploads one of my videos and tries to monetize it as their own, I can, you know, I can be like, hey, YouTube, you need to take this video down because I own the rights to it.

they're going to always like try and be like until they get backed into a corner which i mean looking at like what's been happening the last couple weeks they have been getting back into a corner i'm just i'm just waiting for somebody to like put the proof out there that they are scraping youtube and podcasts and stuff like that because all of this stuff is based on rss which rss is open i love rss as a user i i think it's great but rss is completely open so it's super easy for them to scrape all of that stuff this is the double-edged sword of the open internet right

yeah it's like it's we i love the open internet i love the idea of the fediverse and all this stuff and like hey like all this stuff should work together and it's it's great like could you imagine if like we all had to have separate email accounts because you know only gmail accounts can talk to gmail accounts and only yahoo accounts can talk to yahoo accounts and so on and so on stuff like that. But like, it's, it's, it's depressing to see, like these companies come up, get billions and billions of dollars in funding and all the gross Silicon Valley, you know,

raising money stuff that kind of makes me feel really icky. And they're just, you know, taking stuff from Mac stories, or my YouTube channel, or Matt's blog, or his YouTube channel, or something like that. Like it's it's it's like, come on, like you're clearly stealing and benefiting from it. And the people that are actually making the stuff don't get anything. And it's complicated, right? Like, yeah, like nearly on you said you have Raycast AI, I use Claude, the chatbot on a regular like on a pretty much daily basis. And like, I think that

they're useful for things. Like I'm routinely uploading PDFs and like text files into Claude and asking it questions and having it help me with things with the file and that's super useful in me like just doing my job better and that i don't feel like is stealing i understand that it's built like the whole technology is built on scraping the web and everything but like i don't feel like i'm taking the value away from anyone else when i do those sorts of things it's really these search engines where like like it or hate it there's a good like the google to the rest of the web relationship was

really valuable because Google had ads that they were able to run and they were able to show all the things that were relevant to the people using Google to search. And then they showed like some of the information from those websites on their site, but people would click through and they would go to those sites. And so like the sites who made the content would get value from more people finding them. Google got value from running ads and being able to get people what they want with a good experience um but yeah these ai only things really feel like it's taking all the value and putting it

with them um when they're acting like a search engine and saying ah who wants to actually see another website we'll just do it for you um it's just a weird vibe to me i don't like it it does feel like this is setting up for the lawsuit of the decade it's just like napster versus metallica yeah yeah it's going to set a precedent maybe not in a direction that we like but yeah we need the eu to uh to do something they're the ones who uh i'm going i'm going to mention the eu later by the way oh yeah only the apparently yeah only the eu

can save us because that's how we got emulation our game emulation on the on ios so that's true that's true yeah i i firm firm firm i've seen a couple of people oh apple was gonna do it no matter what i'm like uh no no yeah it's always they were gonna do it obviously right as regulation hit of course we had it with like usbc iphones like we've seen it a few times just a coincidence yeah i i have so many complicated feelings about ai stuff i don't like the like uh creative generated stuff like the image and video generated stuff that makes me feel icky because there are

artists out there that do that plus i don't think they look very good like they all look very shiny and like it it looks fake to me and it looks well obviously it looks fake because they'll be stylized but it just it looks ai generated and like i just i don't like that look i like the artwork for our show was hand done or was hand drawn by an artist and they did an amazing job with our artwork like we absolutely love it if we were to have ai do our artwork it would not look like that i could 100 percent guarantee that uh i i love our artwork for this show and that was

things to an artist so um for sure yeah i i i love the idea of like what mal was saying being able to upload pdfs and stuff like that and like have it like spit out uh the like the the summary of it and stuff like that because i i do i get a lot of pdf documents that uh are either like contracts that are full of legalese or uh you know like reviewers guides or stuff like that that are just full of fluff and I would love to just be able to like hey give me the key points out of this and or give me the uh my actionable items out of a contract or something like that and that would

be really helpful but yeah I don't really want it to replace the a search engine and me going to an actual website like Mac Stories or Matt's website BirchTree or YouTube video or something like that like I don't I don't want AI to replace that I don't want AI to take the human out of the internet I disagree. No, I don't. There you go. And the conversation is all over again. Oh, gosh, yeah.

Neiliana and me will team up against Matt. Oh, no. So, yeah, I apologize for bringing something deep and controversial into the episode. I mean, it's important for us to get out of our comfort zone. So this week, I have an app for you guys. You may have seen it go around on the internet, but the timing of this app could not have been better. So this app is called Kino. I believe that's how you pronounce it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But it is a super flexible, professional filming app for the iPhone. And I am really excited about this. So for years, anyone that's kind of like done like professional video or like recorded high end video with an iPhone has always used Filmic. But a couple of years ago, Filmic Pro got sold off to a company. Let's just say it feels a little a little scammish now. Their default method for subscribing is now weekly, which I do not approve of.

Yeah, yeah, you can fall into that trap. And I've seen a couple of people justify it and be like, oh, well, you know, some people might only need this a couple of times a year. So that's good. But I'm like, maybe not make it the default because a lot of people will assume it's monthly and just subscribe. And yeah, that adds up pretty quickly. It's not super expensive. I think it's only like three or four bucks. I probably should have written that down before, but it's still enough to like, that's not good to be a weekly subscription.

plus it's just the ui feels old now it's very clunky there was a bunch of you guys remember back in was it iphone 10 keynote where the apple brought filmic on stage and said oh hey you're gonna be able to record with two lenses at once and that feature never shipped they actually ended up putting it in a separate app like that feature never actually shipped in a it never shipped as As far as I know, I've never found it in the app. So I know they created a whole separate app to do the two lens recording at the same time.

But anyways, my point is Kino, indie app, it's made by the same people that make Halide great and Orion, which is the app I'm using on my iPad right now to see the Mac mini. They make some really great apps. Like just the startup experience on this is amazing. This is a professional filming app, so it can do 4K, 60 frames per second, ProRes with Apple Log support. And if you have no idea what that I just said, just know that's very impressive because that's basically what I am kind of doing with my Canon R5 camera.

And the reason why the timing of this is just so important is, well, next week at the time of recording this, next week is WWDC. So I'm off to Cupertino. And when you're running around these Apple events and stuff like that, like I will have my fancy camera with me, but it'll be in my backpack. And if something happens and I just need to quickly capture, the quickest way for me to do that is just to pull out my iPhone and start filming. And I'm going to do everything in Kino next week when I am filming for my iPhone. I did some tests with it this week. I just took a little mini vacation with my girlfriend.

We went up to the lake, went jet skiing. That was a lot of fun. That was my first time jet skiing. And that was fun. I was like, anyways, I won't make sense. Sorry. Well, I'm picturing it right now. It's happening right in front of my eyes. I'll try to minimize my sound effects, but, you know, I was definitely. But no, so Kino is really impressive. I really like it. So it supports Apple Log, which Apple Log is a really impressive log format.

You might see this, like if you ever watch like behind the scenes of movies and stuff like that, you might see like this kind of like washed out very flat image and then like they will color it later and that's so you can like really color it to the way you want it it gives you a lot of detail it's kind of like taking a raw photo essentially some really cool features in kino is if you don't want to shoot log and go in and color grade all your footage manually later they have luts that are built in like one was made by tyler stallman who is a youtuber that i really like does a lot of really

interesting camera stuff and some Apple stuff. But they also made a few other LUTs as well that are like these very stylized kind of looks. So when you're filming, it can bake it in. So that's what your video will look like if you want. It also supports external microphones, which is really important. I just bought the DJI wireless mics for WWDC. So I can, I'm going to try and redo my video that I did last year at WWDC where I asked a bunch of creators and developers and podcasters and bloggers and all that stuff like what their favorite features and stuff were announced oh yeah

that was fun thank you yeah I enjoyed really doing that videos it was it was a ton of fun to make that video um so I'm gonna try and do that again next week but next week is gonna be very busy so we'll we'll see what ends up coming out but um I'm really really excited for that um but yeah so I got these DJI wireless mics so I can mic it up properly. The biggest issue with that video last year is the audio was not very good. So this way I can be mic'd and the person I'm talking to can be mic'd. And what's really nice is it has a receiver and it has a USB port on the receiver or USB adapter.

So you can plug it in right to the side of your iPhone and the audio gets captured right to that video footage. So it just gets baked in together. I don't have to go back and sync audio or anything like that. And for a video like this, that's very, um, and, and video production is just called run and gun, uh, where you're just like filming, click, start recording, boom, done. Okay. Move on to the next thing. Move on to the next thing. You're not, you don't have like a big shot list. You're not taking your time and you're not setting up lights or anything like that. It's, it's run and gun. Uh, so that's perfect for this kind of setup. I'm super excited about that. Um,

it has a beautiful design and it's a simple design, but it doesn't have stripped down features. So you can go in and change resolution. You can go in and change frame rate or log or add a lot or something like that very easily. You can jump between either automatic shutter or manually choosing like shutter speed. Or there's actually even an option in there if you prefer like shutter angle versus shutter speed and stuff like that. I know I'm speaking gibberish to some people, but just know it's impressive. But you can just leave it on automatic if you don't even know what that is.

And honestly, I know what it is and I'll probably just leave it on automatic. But yeah, overall, I really love this app. Like I said, I got to test it out a little bit on my vacation. I'm super excited to use it next week. Timing couldn't have been better. I'm going to use it for all the B-roll and stuff. If there's a hands-on area, I don't know if there's going to be hardware stuff that's announced. Last two years, there's been hands-on areas, and I just filmed the stuff on my iPhone. Because you're packed in there like sardines. So like setting down your backpack, pulling out a big camera, it's kind of hard to do.

So just pulling out your iPhone and filming makes it a lot easier. And it's just a one-time $10 app too. There's no weird weekly subscription fees or anything like that. That's a great price. Yeah, it's $10. Like, perfect. I'm super happy with that. Like, it's a professional app. It's an app I will use to make videos, which I in turn make money from. So $10 is nothing, especially if you were to know how much I spent on my camera. $10 is nothing.

Yes, that's nothing at all. You mentioned it has a bunch of LUTs built in. I've played around with the app a little bit too. Can you put your own LUTs in there? Can you have it kind of bake in your own LUTs? Or is that not a thing right now? Yes, I believe you can. I saw somebody do this. I haven't done it. like I said, I've been on vacation. So I've just kind of been using the app. I haven't like been playing around with like the LUTs and stuff because I usually just film log, which is again, that flat profile. And I go in and color grade later because I, you know, I edit my videos, but, um, from what I understand, what I saw, you can do like pixel meter photo and you can build your

own lot for it if you want, uh, which would be really cool. I will verify that. And if you can't, I will cut this out, but I am positive or very, I'm like 99% sure. Actually, hold on. Let me back up. I have the app right here. In the meantime, do you know what Kino means? No idea. Do you know what it means? Yeah. I believe it's German and it means cinema. Oh, okay.

That's okay. That's actually really cool. Okay. I like that. I like that. I thought Keno was a good name, but had no idea what the meaning was. Real-time follow-up, you absolutely can import your own LUTs. You go into settings, grade, and then you scroll to the very bottom, and there is an import from files option. More real-time follow-up. I asked perplexity, what does Keno mean? And I said it can mean a gum, a internet slang term from 4chan. That's fun.

This third one, I actually can't. I don't know if we can say on a clean podcast. And then the fourth one is cinema. So it did give me the answer eventually. Was that perplexity? Perplexity, yeah. Oh, cute doggy. We got some dog dogs in the background, as my niece calls them, dog dogs. It's good. Bring in the animals. It spikes the views. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I'll try to nab him when he comes back.

Chris, is there value to using Kino, do you think, if you don't know anything about all this and you just leave it on automatic? Yeah, I think if you are somebody that really likes a certain stylized look to your videos and stuff like that, I think this is where the LUTs really come in. If you just use the default camera app, it just gives you a very normal looking look. What Kino just calls neutral, it's there.

But with Kino, you can stylize your video, so if you want it to be more stylized. The thing I wanted to mention that I forgot to mention is that with Kino, you can film 4K ProRes 422 at 60 frames per second with Apple Log. And you don't have to use external storage for that. You can just record right to your internal storage. If you do that with the default camera app, you have to have external storage plugged into your iPhone to the USB port

in order to film that stuff. Because I think Apple is worried about storage concerns, even though you can buy a one terabyte phone. That stuff will eat up a lot of storage really, really quickly. But Kino lets you store that internally. And one of my favorite features about Kino is it gives you the option to choose between either saving the stuff by default to the files app or to the photos app. And for something like this, it lets me break up the two apps.

So I think about the camera app for personal stuff. Like if my girlfriend or I are on vacation, I'm just going to film in the camera app. Like I'm just going to film something in the default. It goes right in the photos app. But if I'm still filming my iPads or at an Apple event or something like that, I'm going to use Keynote and it goes right into the files app. So that way it's not muddying up my my almost said camera roll, but just the photos app. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. Yeah, that's really nice. That's one of the things that annoys me about shooting raw photos on the iPhone is if I shoot raw, I'm probably going to import it into an editing app and then export a finished photo.

And that's what I want to be saved forever in my photo collection. But I have that giant raw file there as well now. So I have like two of the files. It's super annoying. So being able to save like those to the files app and then do whatever you need to do and then move them to your photo collection. That's awesome. And especially, I guess, for your use case where you probably don't want all your B-roll in your photos app. You probably just want that for Final Cut. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And like if I'm filming on my iPhone, I'm probably going to move it over to my iPad as well.

So I want it to just be in the files app. I can plug an external drive in, copy the footage over and move it over to the iPad or airdrop it. Probably not airdrop it because if I'm filming 4K ProRes 422 at 60 frames per second, that stuff is going to be huge. So I would use an external storage for that. But the nice thing about this is when I'm filming, I don't have to have a hard drive dangling off of my iPhone in order to film to it. And I actually had some issues. I did something a couple months ago and I was like, oh, I'm just going to film on my iPhone.

And I plugged in an external drive to, or actually I plugged in like this like supposed to be high speed thumb drive that's like 500 gigs into the side of my iPhone. But it wasn't fast enough. So all the footage was choppy after like seven or eight seconds. Like it just started getting choppy because it didn't have enough bandwidth to process all that footage. So Kino, I like that when I go to record, everything stays on the device and then I can move it over afterwards. Now, I do want to point out something. I have been talking about recording in 60 frames per second.

I am not a monster, people. I do not put out videos at 60 frames per second, nor 30 frames per second, unlike somebody else on this podcast. I am a 24 frames per second person. But the benefit of shooting 60 frames per second is you can put that in an editor like Final Cut or whatever. And then you can slow that down to 24 frames per second, which is about 40% of the speed. And you get this nice slow-mo clip. So, yes. And, yes, I was calling out Matt there. We don't have time to get into another controversy this episode.

I'm very happy with my 30 FPS. And when we started this podcast, dear audience, Matt was like, I'm going to have to set up my camera to 24 frames per second for this. And I was like, yes, yes, you are. Because this podcast is always going to be 24 frames per second for as long as I edit it. Sacrifice I'm willing to make. So that's kind of it for me. Do you guys have any other questions on Kino?

Yes, I do. And I apologize in advance. do you know we have an apple log with us today we have an apple log yeah what apple log yeah birchtree.me he's right here oh oh oh oh oh i was like wait are you talking about like is somebody gonna come on the podcast from like the camera team or something like that and call me out oh first tree oh anyway that was great that was great i love that yeah is that staying in

yes 100 that's staying in okay sure oh my god i love it uh neilion what do you have for us this week yeah all right this is the first installment uh ladies and gentlemen of a uh maybe recurrent segment of what i call i don't know if i love hating mac os or if i hate loving mac os so there we go um this week and over the past two weeks really um for this podcast uh when we record uh

I wanted to reduce our latency on my end as well. So I wanted to run a wire to my desk. So to be on Ethernet cable, not on Wi-Fi anymore. The issue is my router is all the way on the other end of the apartment. So unless I got a, I don't know how long cable, that would have been hard. So, in the end, today, I have what I call a Rube Goldberg Ethernet cable running to my MacBook on my desk.

I discovered the magic of Ethernet power line adapters. I don't know if you are aware of what that is, but I had no idea before. I've heard of them, but I don't understand them. So, I've never been brave enough to use one. I'm very familiar with them. used to use them in my IT job for really weird offices that we would have and stuff like that. But yeah, I'm familiar. All right. So brief explanation. The idea is you plug in an adapter next to your router or next to wherever your nearest Ethernet port is. You plug an Ethernet

cable between your router and into that adapter and then you plug another adapter next to where you want your ethernet to come out so next to my desk in this case and then another internet cable runs from that into my macbook so the idea is that the ethernet data is running through the walls on your power lines basically in your electric circuit and you basically have a wired connection so

I've discovered this magic it kind of didn't make sense to me I was like that doesn't work that's not possible but it is apparently and it's an old thing a very old thing I tried setting this up and it works I'm really surprised to see that it works apparently after googling online for about a week before I started going into this, it depends a lot. It depends, it hugely depends on your electric circuit. How old is it? How is it set up?

If your electric circuit is common with a neighbor or something like that, it can mess things up immensely. In our case, before buying the things, I try to understand my electric circuit, which is stepping out way outside of my comfort zone. And it turns out it should be working. So yeah, it worked. But here's the thing, guys.

Yeah. macOS comes into play. And I have a bug. And I'm like already trying to take advantage of this audience. And if someone has a solution to this, please reach out. Let me explain. My Ethernet out of the adapter and into my Thunderbolt 4 dock.

All right. The issue is that one in 10, how do you say that? Once in 10 times? Is that right? One out of 10, one in 10. Yeah, yeah. Okay, English is hard. When I wake up my Mac from sleep, it doesn't work. macOS doesn't see the Ethernet cable. It's gone. And it will not see it again unless I entirely reboot macOS. So that's annoying.

I wanted to throw my MacBook out the window. But I started looking for solutions. Here's what I've got so far. When searching online for this issue, you get all sorts of Reddit threads buried deep into Reddit. I mean, from five, six years ago or something like that. The most recent things that you can find online about this are on the Apple discussions forum, on Apple support.

This led to nowhere because basically it's just people having the same issue as me or something like my issue, but they never find a real solution. What I've gathered is that most of the time it's related to Thunderbolt. It's related to the fact that macOS is trying to wake up your Thunderbolt dock after sleep. And sometimes it just fails to see your Ethernet cable for some reason, to see your Ethernet port for some reason.

So that's been a bug that exists forever, apparently. And apparently it depends on the docs. So most of the issues have solutions like, okay, I bought another doc. So I went ahead and did that. I did not buy another doc. I don't have enough money, but I have another doc lying around. So I tried that. It's an old Thunderbolt 3 doc. So I tried plugging that in. And same issue.

It still happens. What is most frustrating about this is that it only happens after about 10 hours. I can't reproduce it reliably. It's so frustrating, I can't. But then I found another solution, a potential solution. Apparently, most Thunderbolt dogs, they put their ports to sleep when your Mac goes to sleep, apart from other Thunderbolt ports on the dock.

Which makes sense. It is not logical that your Thunderbolt dog wants to keep the other Thunderbolt ports awake. So what I ended up doing is I added on to this Rube Goldberg Ethernet cable and added a dongle that goes into a second Thunderbolt port on my dock.

And boom, it stopped happening for about three days. The bug seemed to be gone. And I was about to record today and tell you that all is fine. And this is amazing. I found the workaround. But then about, I don't know, five hours ago, it happened again. And the bug is back. It happened again. And I have no idea what is going on. So here are my two other solutions, potential solutions for now.

I'm going to tweak the settings in macOS. If you go into System Settings, and if you go into Battery, then you click Options. There you have two settings that I think I'm going to try turning off and on and see how it goes over the next few days or weeks. The first one is Prevent Automatic Sleeping on Power Adapter when the display is off. So that means when my MacBook is plugged in at my desk, it won't go to sleep for real.

The display will just turn off. And that's the worst workaround because it means your MacBook never really goes to sleep. Yeah, and it's consuming energy and stuff. The other setting I'm going to tweak is wake for network access. That's the setting that when your Mac is asleep, it can still wake up sometimes to receive updates in the background, like messages, email, and iCloud stuff. So for now, I'm going to turn this off and see how it goes as well.

Please just reach out. Let me know what is going on. I don't want to buy. I don't want to just be that girl who writes on Reddit and says, okay, it's fixed. I just bought the CalDGTS for 500 euros and now it's good. Please let me know if there's a fix. What about, and I totally get what you're trying to do here. You just want one cable going into your MacBook. But what about just taking the Ethernet dongle that's currently plugged into the Thunderbolt dock and just plugging that into your macbook so that way you you would have two cables at that

point but then you wouldn't have to deal with that port on the thunderbolt hub going to sleep yeah i'm going to try that to see i do not like this solution but yeah no it might help confirm if the issue is really related to the dock or not so yeah i'm going to try that that that's what I was kind of thinking is is this would at least rule out macOS or or if it was the the dock essentially so um that would probably be like an interesting test I I totally get like back in the day when I had a MacBook Pro like I had I actually had two Thunderbolt docks one plugged into another

because I had like video stuff and some audio gear and stuff like that and it just wasn't enough ports in one. So I like daisy chained them together, but I only had one cable going to my MacBook pro. And I love that. Uh, in the minute you add a second, it feels like your desk just got really messy. So I totally understand not wanting to do that. Yeah. It's, it's actually, I have a similar thing. It's not one in 10 times. It probably happens one in 200 times I plug it in, But every once in a while, I'll plug in my Thunderbolt dock to my Mac and the display will come back.

The Ethernet will work. But my keyboard won't. That's connected over USB. The keyboard just isn't detecting anything. And I unplug and replug and it works. So not the Internet. That would be more painful. But actually, it's all painful. But yeah, that is definitely a thing that happens every once in a while. And yeah, the second thing plugged into the Mac is a disaster state, but it might work. The whole magic of Thunderbolt is one.

Matt, you know the solution to the keyboard issue? Another keyboard? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Build another keyboard. Just get a magic keyboard. No, thank you. No, we're good. We're good. As somebody that unfortunately had to buy one to work with the Vision Pro, I was not thrilled about that. That and the fact I own three Magic Trackpads right now because Apple refuses to make one that works with multiple devices.

Yeah. Hopefully that's not the challenge this week. Oh, God. Oh, no. It's much better than that. Okay, good. although I'm going to take down this idea take a note of this idea oh no oh no alright does anyone have any other thoughts before we move on to the challenge yeah sorry this was meant to be a wholesome segment I was going to talk about how I'm amazed that Powerline Ethernet is a thing Powerline data is a thing but yeah didn't go so well

Hey, Powerline Ethernet is cool. Like, we'll sidestep the whole Thunderbolt Mac OS issue for a second. And Powerline Ethernet is really cool. Like, I've used it before on IT jobs and stuff like that, where we, like, once we had, like, this really old brick building, and there's just absolutely no way we would have been able to run network cabling through the walls. So, we found this. It worked great. It worked fantastic, at least as far as I know. I mean, I didn't work in that office, but the users never complained.

And trust me, when you work in IT, the users will let you know when something doesn't work. Oh, yeah. But like Tron, I fight for the users. I'm cutting that. Oh, please don't. But yeah, no, I'm... Yeah, no, Powerline Ethernet's really cool. I've actually been thinking about doing it here in my studio. I really need to get a quote to see if I can get Ethernet run throughout this house here.

Somebody ran network cabling through the house, but it doesn't go anywhere. It's not hooked up to anything. There's no network closet. There's no patch panel or anything. I cannot figure out what this was originally run for and where it ends up. Other than my feeling is maybe it's just spooled up in the attic somewhere, but I don't really want to crawl up there. uh maybe i might have to but yeah um i yeah powerline ethernet's cool yeah thank you all right so this week's challenge was my challenge and i wanted you all to turn your

ipad into a gaming computer and i kind of gave you a few different ways of doing that it could have just been downloading some games from the app store pairing a controller maybe using an emulator like delta or p s s p s s p p s i don't even remember how many there's a bunch of p's and a bunch of s's in that so who knows but um and or like using a game streaming service like uh xbox cloud gaming or nvidia geforce now so i want to hear from you all how did this challenge go for you um let's start with matt how did it work for you it went pretty well um i tried three different

things and they went great decently and did not work um but overall it was pretty good um so the thing that went great was nvidia g-force now i've used i used it once before uh i used it when Baldur's Gate 3 came out to play Baldur's Gate on my MacBook because the Mac version wasn't available yet. And it was splendid. It was a delightful way to play and it worked great.

And so I used it on my iPad this time, just paired a controller, paired a PS5 DualSense controller with my iPad, signed up for a month of GeForce now and was playing a bunch of games. I played Death Stranding, I played Resident Evil 2, I played a little cyberpunk, and it just worked wonderfully. My iPad stayed nice and cool. I installed GeForce Now as a web app on my home screen, and it was great. It synced with my Steam library, so most of my Steam games were there.

It syncs with your Epic Store library, but you don't actually get to play your games from Epic, which is weird. So I don't really know what the point is there. But it just worked great. And as long as I was on a good Wi-Fi connection, the lag was effectively zero. And I'm pretty sensitive to lag in these kind of streaming services, but it was remarkably good. I was super, super impressed by it. So that went amazingly.

Then I installed some high-end games on the iPad. I've got the M4 iPad, so I may as well push it to its limits, right? So I tried Assassin's Creed Mirage, which conveniently came out yesterday. It ran not as well as I expected. It's kind of locked at 30 FPS, and there's a low, medium, high graphics mode. And they seem to just change the resolution, and it's still 30 FPS at every single one. So I think the CPU might be the limit, not the GPU, because the settings seem to stay the same.

But anyway, it's still bad. Yeah, it ran not great. I tried Resident Evil Village as well, which is my favorite, favorite iPad game for performance testing, because it's basically the PC version with the full PC settings menu. So you can change everything in there. It's not like a normal iPad or iPhone game. you can change the how ambient occlusion is done you can change what upscaler they're using you can change shadow quality reflection like everything is in there and so you can really kind of tweak it

to whatever device um and resident evil village ran quite well um still can't max it out but it definitely ran well enough that i would play the whole game that way um so that was pretty cool uh and yeah so did some of those um also played dead cells which is one of my favorite roguelike games um i also learned that the castlevania expansion for that game is on the apple arcade version of it um so you can play that totally for free and that is the best castlevania experience in the last like 20 years so isn't it the only castlevania experience in the last 20 years it also might yeah

so that went pretty good and like i think if i had more time to find more games that work with a controller because i prefer playing with a controller than touch controls i think there's probably some cool stuff i could have found um the last thing i tried that just did not work was i tried to install moonlight on my pc and then have used that app on the ipad to stream my local pc to my ipad my ipad just never found my pc so i couldn't get it to work unfortunately but that's of the dream because then i wouldn't have any licensing restrictions i could just use my local

computer to uh stream any game i want regardless of whether the developer wanted me to do that on a game streaming service or not but it didn't seem to work for me i think it works for the vision pro too so in theory i could play with on the vision pro um one of these days but yeah that's a thing for me i'm sure it's a me issue not a movement light issue but yeah it went pretty well overall outside of that last uh interesting bummer um i i'm i'm excited to hear that g force now worked out really well for you uh most of my games are through xbox and stuff like that so i've tried

g force now but what turned me off was i would have to rebuy all of my games that i already own and i'm like and i know there are some xbox games on g force now but it's not a lot it's not a ton if you use game pass none of those games come over but you can sync your xbox library i only own two games on xbox um forza horizon 5 and flight simulator um and i don't think flight

simulator worked but forza horizon 5 did so yeah yeah i know i i think forza was the game that i played on geforce now because it synced over um from like my xbox purchase of it synced over but I'm also one of those people that really loves Xbox achievements so I don't want to give those up so I'm kind of waiting uh well we'll get to it a bit but uh yeah yeah so I have a I have a win and I have a fail okay yeah I'm going to start with the fail so that I can end on the win and the common denominator between the two is that I'm going to act today as the EU ambassador

and I wanted for this challenge to go all in on sideloading. Ooh. Yeah. Matt and I are just sitting over here jealous, like where's our sideloading? Yeah, but here's the thing. It doesn't work with the iPad yet. Oh, that's right. The legal sideloading. Yeah, so I had to go the old way. Do you guys know UTM? No. No, I don't think so. It sounds vaguely familiar.

Like, I kind of remember something called that, but I don't remember what it is. Yeah, UTM is a virtual machine app for the iPad and iOS as well. And for the Mac, too, I think. Yeah, so you can sideload UTM on your iPad, and you can run a virtual machine in there. You can install any Linux distributions you like, or you can install Windows. Oh.

The latest versions of Windows will not run great. You should not try those. But I tried to install Windows XP. I tried to install Windows XP because I wanted to play, like in the old days, SimCity 3000. my favorite game at the time nice yeah but as i said at the beginning it's a fail because um it's such a rabbit hole this app utm is such a rabbit hole and maybe i could have gotten it to

work after three weeks spent on this? I don't know. But the issue is that it's so fiddly to find the right configurations for your virtual machines. And Windows XP, I got it installed. It worked. But oh my god, it was laggy. And it's Windows XP. I mean, there are emulators in the web browser that run Windows XP, right?

So I'm not sure if it's a limitation of iPadOS. Yeah? I was just going to say, Windows XP is not a very intensive OS. Yeah, not at all. I mean, it's 32-bit. It's not even 64-bit. Yeah, it might be related to something, something iPadOS limitation, something, something. But I'm not sure. The way I sideloaded it is via AltStore. So the old way. So you install AltServers on your Mac, and then you install AltStore on your iPad.

And the two are linked over Wi-Fi, and you can sideload apps this way. And there is support here for just-in-time compilation, which means, if I understand this right, that UTM can take advantage of the full performance or something like that of the iPad. But still, it was really hard to get a decent performance. I still went ahead and installed SimCity 3000.

The game launches. Nice. I got started on a map, started placing roads, But oh my god, iPadOS something, something, iPadOS something, something. The app crashed so many times. I lost so many cities after just 30 minutes of playing. So yeah, it worked technically, but it was a bit of a fail. Yeah, so moving on to the win then.

Still sideloading things I discovered a few months ago, and it was a great opportunity this challenge to try it again. I don't know how to pronounce this. It's called Pojave Launcher. I'm going to pronounce it in the French way. Pojave Launcher. And it's a launcher that you can sideload on your iPad and it runs the Java edition of Minecraft natively.

Yeah, it's really cool. this one works so well and I'm so happy you can get started really fast it's basically the presets in there are awesome you don't have to tweak too much to get it working and yeah you're in you're playing Minecraft you can pair a mouse and a keyboard and you're playing the vanilla experience of Minecraft the Java edition of Minecraft and it works really well

I'm really happy about this. As the Minecraft players know out there, there is another version of Minecraft. They are both updated in parallel. The other version is Bedrock Edition. Bedrock Edition is a complete rewrite of Minecraft. And it's the version of Minecraft that you find on consoles and on iPadOS. It's in the App Store. But it's a version of Minecraft that is super weird.

It doesn't support mods. And some things about this version of Minecraft is a bit weird when you've been playing the Java edition of Minecraft for 10 years. So, yeah, I'm so happy to have found a way to play the Java edition on iPadOS. Really good. I would recommend. Interesting. I have only spent maybe 20 minutes in my whole life playing Minecraft. I kind of miss that. It never really kind of appealed to me, but I totally get why as somebody that literally, if you look around my studio, it's full of Legos and stuff like that.

I totally get the appeal. But yeah, that's interesting. I might have to try that if we can ever get that side loading. Well, I guess I could do the old school, old store way, especially now that I have a Mac mini. That's what I did. It works. I might have to give that a shot and give that a try because that does sound interesting. So for me, I have been really trying hard to make my iPad a gaming computer in the last couple of weeks.

A bunch of travel happening. We had my girlfriend's mom staying with us for a little while. Just a bunch of, like, I basically, I'm just not going to have access to my TV for a while. And I play a lot of games on my Xbox. I sit in front of my Xbox in front of the TV, play games that way. That's traditionally how I've done it. But just this summer in particular is going to be a little wild. And I like to play video games as a way to de-stress from work. It's kind of like my way of just ending my day and kind of, it's not, you know, if I wasn't able to play games, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

But it's also like a very, it's my happy place. so I have been looking into turning my iPad into a gaming computer so I was kind of inspired by our friend Federico Vitici he basically turned his 13 inch iPad Pro into a Nintendo Switch like device so I went looking all over the internet for a handheld controller so something that you plugs into the side of the iPad and you can hold it in your hand and I couldn't find anyone that

supported the 13 inch or 12.9 inch iPad Pro. The best I could see is they all tapped out at 11 inches and I was like well that's no good because I'm not gonna go with the smaller iPad. I'm gonna be the big iPad guy. So I followed Federico's route and got the GameSir G8 controller and then I found an extension kit on etsy uh and basically what this does is you have to open up the controller like you you have to be careful and you have to be comfortable unscrewing it you're you're going to

ruin this controller like you're not going to be able to just take this extension kit out and put it back and stuff like that like you are going to modify this controller and this is just the way this controller is going to be uh so it doesn't work with my iphone anymore anything like that it's just for my iPad. But it fits my 13 inch iPad just fine. The extension kit does a really nice job of making it look like an all-in-one piece, but it's just like a 3D printed. It's actually two pieces and a bunch of screws, and it just extends it out. You don't have to replace the springs or any of the

extension stuff in the actual controller, but you do have to open the controller up. And when you open the controller up, be very careful because there's a ribbon cable in there, and you will break it. if you open it up too quickly. I might have ended up spending like two hours trying to repair that. So yeah, that was not fun. But once I got this all working, it was great. I've been playing a bunch of emulated games on my iPad. Before anyone says anything, they're all games I own.

They're all stuff I turned into ROMs myself. Like I said at the beginning, or like I said when we were talking about in the AI segment, I'm a big believer if you're a creative person, you should get paid for your work. I'm not going to, not going to, yeah. So anyways, before anyone says anything. But I've been using Delta and I'm going to see if I can get it right. I have it on my notes. P-P-S-S-P-P. So Delta is obviously the really popular Nintendo emulator for Game Boy games, Nintendo 64, NES, Super Nintendo, stuff like that.

I've turned a bunch of my Game Boy games and Game Boy Advance games and stuff like that into ROMs. So I was playing a couple of Super Mario Brothers games, some Pokemon games. I've just been kind of bouncing around, just revisiting a lot of my old favorite Game Boy games that I just haven't been able to play in years. And then on PPSSPP, which is a PSP emulator, if you couldn't figure it out by the title, I've been playing Final Fantasy Tactics War of the Lion, I believe is that one.

I get all the Final Fantasy names mixed up. confusing but final fantasy tactics if you've never played final fantasy tactics and you like like turn-based tactical style games yes it's so much fun so much fun so i've been playing that with the game server controller and just kind of been sitting back but and then uh like matt i've also been streaming games as well uh i've been using the xbox cloud uh streaming game service xbox cloud

whatever it's called who knows uh that i don't know why they just don't call it x but whatever it doesn't matter i'm going on a tangent cutting that um but the problem with the xbox cloud game streaming is it's not it's not very good uh because it's not a native app it's just running through the web and it's just not it's very laggy if you just run the native experience it's very laggy uh it's low resolution it doesn't look great it doesn't feel great especially if you're playing like a shooter game or something like that it just doesn't work well so uh in our mac stories

discord i actually got recommended better xcloud which is like this whole script that you can install on an ipad iphone mac whatever and it kind of strips xbox cloud streaming a little bit it kind of forces it to be a certain resolution hit certain frame rates strips a few features and stuff like that but it works flawlessly once you do that i don't know why microsoft isn't just doing this already uh but it literally it works flawlessly i had maybe one or two lag moments in really high

populated areas i was playing fallout uh like so when you go into diamond city i had like one really annoying like half a second lag moment but other than that it was perfect it was great now the resolution isn't high it doesn't look amazing it's not running at like 60 frames per second or anything like that but when i really wanted to play fallout and i didn't have access to the tv this worked this did a good job so um i think i will probably stick to native games on the ipad for the most part for games that I'm playing, like, you know, either using emulators like Delta or PPSSPP, or, you know,

playing games like Divinity Original Sin 2, which is an amazing RPG game. Night to the Old Republic 1 and 2 are on the iPad. Those are some of my all-time favorite games. So there are some really good games out there. Obviously, it doesn't have a massive library, but I would like it to be better. i'm kind of still waiting uh do we no man's sky is still supposed to be coming right or no no man's sky is out isn't it it's out on the mac i don't know if the ipad version came out i remember this

rumor it feels like a rumor they announced it at like wwdc like two years ago or something like that and i could have sworn it was supposed to come to the ipad too yeah i'm looking it up it's not there yet okay all right anyways that's that's a game i've had fun playing on the console quite a bit like i actually really enjoy that game so i would love it to come to the ipad but all this being said i have started to look at building a gaming pc specifically for moonlight i know matt said it didn't work for him i've heard a bunch of people it said it works for them uh again going back to

our friend federico faticci i believe this is how he's playing games and i saw him say he's getting like 4k 60 streaming to his ipad and i'm like yes i want that i want that very much so i'm i'm i'm like i'm like okay i could build a gaming pc i haven't built a pc in years like 15 years something like that it's so easy to do you could totally do it if you dealt with a ribbon cable that's as hard as anything building a pc is these days i think it's mostly plugging things in and a lot of there's There's so many websites out there too that are like, okay, just get these parts if you want to hit these targets for these kinds of games and stuff like that.

So I'm seriously considering that. It will be an after WWDC probably sometime before beta embargoes and stuff come up when everything's just quiet that I might do that. Yeah, I'm happy, but I know the iPad could be an even better gaming computer, especially with these M4 iPads. The OLED display is absolutely just gorgeous. It is stunning. But the game library issue, the fact that there just aren't a ton of native AAA games or native new games even, is a huge bummer.

Yeah, it's getting better, though. I think, I mean, Apple's definitely making a push with some of these devs, right? Oh, yeah, big time. It just came out months after, like half a year after the original one, but still. But like the Resident, like there are some like genuinely AAA games you can play on your iPad now, which you couldn't do before. So it's better, but I totally hear you that it's still the exception, not the rule that the games you want to play the really high-end games are available on the ipad yeah like i i'm

kind of surprised like at least like apple should be going after games that are older like the fact that there isn't skyrim on the ipad is kind of weird skyrim's everywhere skyrim is like the new doom like you could play skyrim on your toaster like yeah it's the netflix of games it's everywhere yeah i'm kind of surprised apple hasn't gone to bethesda and been like hey why don't you port skyrim over or something like that so um i i apple and gaming has always been weird it's weird being you know an apple person and being into gaming because it always usually meant you either had to have a

gaming pc or consoles or something like that but i i can see we're kind of like on this cusp of something happening but i think it's going to be a lot of third-party stuff like moonlight and stuff like that that's really going to be the push in order to get the ipad to be a real gaming computer And I thought I was going deep with my site loading and Windows XP on my iPad. No, you installed Windows XP on an iPad. You went the deepest. You win. You win. You win.

I'm happy about it. You win. Anyone that goes through and installs another OS on an iPad, I think that's just like the automatic win for the challenge. It's a sight to behold to see Windows XP booting on your iPad, believe me. Oh, man. I would immediately try and install the X-Wing and TIE Fighter games. I love those games as a kid. But I don't know. You gotta have a joystick. So, yeah. Anyway. So, Nelian, I am so nervous.

You have a challenge for us this week. And in our document, it just says redacted. So, what are you gonna force Matt and I to do this week? Alright. So, don't worry, guys. It's not super invasive. I'm just going. to ask you, and I will do this too, of course, as per the rules, to revamp your dock. Ooh. Dock on what device? Yes. On your main device.

So, Chris, I expect you to revamp your dock on your iPad. And I will revamp mine on my Mac. And by revamp, I mean just do anything to it that you want. Experiment with your dock. On the Mac, you can maybe place it on the right side of the screen, on the correct side of the screen, which is at the bottom, and you can decide. Move around the icons, experiment with new icons.

I know I've seen people on YouTube who... You know about these iPad influencers that are not Chris, that are like full into TikTok vibes, aesthetics, and they use their Apple Pencil to do everything on the iPad, and they use custom widgets on their home screens and with beautiful pictures and all custom icons. And maybe you don't know what I mean, but yeah.

No, I totally do. I'm totally with you. I know. All right. yeah i know exactly what you mean and my brain's already turning as to how i can do this and i am what i'm going to say is i've seen some of these people they don't have any icons in their dog on the ipad they removed every icon from their dog and they just have the three recent apps you know in the dog they just have this and it just shuffles around all the time because yeah oh no

okay so that's just an idea that's just an idea okay so this this challenge could not have come at a stranger time because literally after we stop recording this uh episode i am filming a like what's on my home screen and what's on my lock screen video so for that video because i literally have the script written and this is how i've been using my ipad for like over a year now i'm gonna keep it the same for that video but after i am done filming that video i will remove everything and try your way but i don't i really like the way my home screen set up yeah you do you you do

you okay i think i'm going to do my phone oh that's cheap you're copping out matt like come on there's only four icons down there no no no no no but oh but one of those icons has been there for 15 years and i haven't moved it since no i think it's budget yeah okay all right i think i think i can do something clever here if i can't do something clever i'll change my dock and put it on the bottom which is wrong yeah because the dock on the mac even though i'm not a mac person we all know the dock belongs on the left hand side of the mac that is correct do you wait do we agree

on something matt do we just agree on something i think we we agreed on something but all three of us i don't think agree no i don't think all three of us that's that's what i like about this show is i highly doubt all three of us will agree on anything very often like i think it'll be pretty rare when we all agree on something yeah yeah just for some context i also have my very specific ways with my Mac doc. So it's going to be hard, just to let you know.

And I'm going to do my Mac OS doc. That's what I was going to ask, is what device were you going to do? Okay, so actually, that's actually a perfect kind of way of doing it. Because if, Niléane, you're going to do the Mac, I'm going to do the iPad, and Matt will do the iPhone, so then we can all have the different devices. I mean, unless somebody wants to do the doc on the Apple TV. Oh, no, that would cause conflict. Yeah, honestly, I couldn't do that. That would actually cause issues in my relationship. That would not be good.

No shared devices. But I'm actually looking forward to this. I'm going to film my video first because this is the way I've been using my iPad and I have very particular things. But I have a couple of ideas to mix it up. I'm not sure I'm going to like it, but I do have some ideas on how I can mix things up. Yeah, just an advice. Take screenshots of yourself. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can restore it in a week. Yeah, and we'll take screenshots and put images and stuff in the show notes and stuff so people can see what we can do, too.

So we'll all do like a before and after. How about that? Yeah. Oh, I just noticed the good thing about mine is I've had perplexity in my iPhone dock, and I was going to remove that anyway. So I'm one fourth of the way there. Well, that about does it for this week's episode of Comfort Zone. I am very much looking forward to next week because we'll be recording after WWDC so who knows maybe we might get some stuff that actually helps us with the challenge next week who knows but I want to say thank you to MacStories for hosting us

they're been great, it's been great to work with them, you can find all the stuff that we talked about in the show notes of this episode so if you listen to any podcast player you can swipe over and see the show notes If you're watching the video on YouTube, you might have to go to macstories.net or open up the audio one. We're still building the channel history here, so we actually aren't able to post links in the description of videos right now, which is YouTube. Google and the open web.

Yeah. It's so weird. So we're not able to post links in the description just yet. We're still building the channel history, and then we'll be able to put all the links there. but um matt uh say goodbye to everyone and yeah goodbye i look forward to seeing you next time neilion say goodbye au revoir goodbye everybody