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Welcome to Comfort Zone, a podcast all about pushing your hosts, well, outside of their comfort zone. I'm Christopher Lawley, and each week I am joined by two incredible co-hosts. First up, Matt Birchler. Matt, how are you doing? I'm doing great and super happy to be here. Oh, nice. And we are also joined by Nelian. Nelian, how are you doing? I'm okay. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, I know it's a big day for you all over in France. You're getting the ever so popular Apple platform, Vision Pro.

So that's interesting. But we might talk about that a little later. It's going to change my life. It is. It absolutely. There is two versions. You know how there's like BC and AD and stuff like that when it comes to years. Now there is pre-Vision Pro and post-Vision Pro. Yeah. That's what they say. That's the vibe we've given off on this channel, definitely. I hate that word. I hate that word so much.

Vibe? Yeah. I hate that word so much. It's one of my favorites. Yeah, I like it. What's wrong with that word, Chris? It's just overused, and it's one of those things where I just constantly hear people talk about Like, you know, I'm in California. There's a stereotype and there's a very true stereotype where there's people that's like, good vibes only, man. It's like, I can't.

No, I live in the real world, not in this fantasy world where anyways, moving on. We can move on. It's not anything we need to get hung up on because we have some exciting things to talk about. I'm actually first up in the document this week, so I guess I will go first. But I want to talk about iPadOS and iOS 18 because the public beta is out now. So, yeah, that's pretty exciting. Do either of you have either iOS or iPadOS 18 installed on your devices?

Yeah, of course. The iOS 18 beta. Nice, nice. Matt, what do you have installed? I have every single one installed on every single device. No. And he told us not to install anything. I told you not to because that's the smart thing to do. But I do not do the smart thing. To be fair, since the developer beta 2 has been out, my main iPad has been running iPadOS 18.

The iPad I'm editing videos on and stuff now is running iPadOS 18. So I am not following the wise words either. I am literally just kind of doing. You know, when Matt said that, I felt like there was this sense of responsibility that I had to uphold, right? He said, don't install your beta on your production devices. So I was like, okay, no Sequoia beta for me.

Got to record comfort zone. I will say the Sequoia beta specifically has exclusively broken things, has made almost nothing better, was not a good decision on my part but it's so it's so hard to roll back i can't do it so i'm just powering through yeah for me for me as long as final cut works on ipad os i should be good uh like we've discussed in previous episodes i have a mac mini that literally it's one of its two purposes right now is just for recording this show because we use a service called riverside and

you have to have a chromium browser for that and since i live in the u.s and i'm stuck with webkit browsers, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I have to have the Mac mini. So I probably won't even install Sequoia on this thing until well into its actual production life. Because why? I don't, I don't really need anything. But iPadOS 18 has not actually been too bad, mostly because, you know, iOS and iPadOS 18, there weren't really a lot of changes to it. So neither of them have been too bad,

But I kind of wanted to run through some of my favorite stuff in this update and kind of talk with you all about what you're enjoying about it as well. Yeah, that's great. I really like having these conversations like a month later like we're doing now. Yeah. Because it gives you some time to sit with it. And you're not just kind of like, well, like one of the things that's challenging, I think, is like immediately after people post like their reactions. But they're just kind of like reading through the marketing doc that Apple put out. And so like you've been using it for a month or a month and a half. And now we can kind of like really get into like, OK, this is what made a difference or what I really noticed that I like.

So I'm excited to hear what you hear what you found. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And like I totally agree. Like I don't do a ton of like right after the keynote videos and stuff like that. I'll usually do like one video just kind of like giving some general thoughts. But like you're technically not even allowed to show anything off. Like you're not allowed to film your devices. it's all part of the developer NDA until the public beta is out. So that's why like still on my channel, you don't see iOS or iPadOS 18 until the public beta is out. But yeah, so like one of

the big things I think on both iOS and iPadOS is home screen customization this year. Apple's really embracing it, you know, ever since like widgets on the home screen were a thing a couple of years ago, Apple seems to be embracing more and more home screen customizations. And there's a few different things you can do like put apps and widgets anywhere you want weirdly uh you could put widgets anywhere you wanted on ipad os 17 like they weren't conformed to like the uh top to bottom left to right grid you could put widgets wherever you wanted um but now widgets on the iphone and apps on both the iphone and the ipad can be placed anywhere you want i still don't have any apps on my

actual iPad home screen apps live in the dock widgets on the home screen but um I'm kind of curious from you guys are you playing around with this at all because like for me I just have too much stuff on my home screen so all my home screens are full I am so I've actually done I've done it on both my iPhone and my iPad on my iPhone I've always had like only a couple rows of icons so I actually have always had empty space but that empty space has been kind of in the middle of the screen with the icons at the top and then my dock. But now I've been able to do what I've done on Android since like 2008. And but like, don't be that guy, Matt, don't be that guy in my comments. Oh,

Android could do this. So why are you excited? Android's always been able to do this. I did not say that. I did not say that. You should be excited. I just it is the right layout for me. So the dock and then I have two rows of icons above it. So that's 12 icons on my home screen. And then above that, I have a couple of widgets, but I can still see my wallpaper. And that's worked awesome for me. So I love, love being able to kind of move them around wherever I want. It's worked really well. Nice. Yeah, I think the issue for me is that every time Apple introduces something, a new change to the home screen on iOS, I never really take advantage of them.

When they added folders, that's a long time ago, iOS 4, I believe. I never used folders. And when they added widgets, I never used widgets. Currently, I only have one widget on my home screen. That's a weather widget, so that's the boring one. And otherwise, it's just full of icons. And I just like to keep one home screen, never more than one, Because I like to access the app library with one swipe.

So, yeah, the home screen changes are not going to change anything for me. I'm not even eager to customize the icons or something like that. I'm worried that my home screen is going to stay unchanged for one more year. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, I kind of redid my home screen right before WWDC to where I'm back to just one page of app icons, but I'm utilizing the today view and putting most of my like today summary widgets in that view.

So like carrot weather, parcel, TV forecast, things, fantastical, those kinds of widgets that show me what's going on in my day. Those live in the today view now. And then I have like Marvis Pro and Overcast as a widget up top. and then the rest of the page is just app icons. So yeah, that's kind of interesting. Another change that Apple did to home screens is there's the ability to make widgets or there's the ability to make app icons, sorry, large now.

And when you make them large, the text label underneath them goes away. And I at first did not like the way the large icons looked, but I was like, you know what? It's the new thing. I'm going to try it out for a couple of weeks. And I actually don't mind it now. I really like the fact that the text labels are gone. It's just the app icons. But what I don't like about that is the text labels are also gone in the app library. And there are some very like apps that I use like maybe once a month or something like that.

That I'm like, okay, I still need the text label for those. But, you know, stuff like things or stuff that lives on my home screen, like I don't need the text label for those. That's something that's weird about iOS 18 is that customizations apply to the home screen, apply everywhere. Yeah. And that makes no sense to me. Why do the custom icons apply to the app library? And I don't know if you've noticed, but if you go into the settings app and you go to the apps section there,

even there the icons are customized when you've customized them on your home screen. Why? oh interesting this is so strange i didn't notice that yeah i mean it's buggy not all of them uh maybe it's a bug but at the current in the current state that's what it is i definitely had the bug in beta 2 where all the app icons just disappeared and i had the white uh scribble or whatever that icon size or type is called whatever um yeah like i like some of the app icons

were gone but uh speaking of customizable app icons there's now the dark mode app icons which i actually really loved some of them in beta 1 but then they kind of ruined like maps with beta 3 by adding a bunch of color to it and i was like no it looks so good it's just like a straight dark icon i loved it but now they added like a bunch of color to it and i'm like i don't like this as much but one thing that I found really interesting is they're now automatically inverting some app icons.

So like if you look at the YouTube icon, the YouTube icon used to be a white background with the red YouTube logo. It now inverts it so that it has a black or really dark gray background. And the logo is still red, but like there's dark gray where the white used to be and stuff like that. And then I saw somebody, I don't have the Facebook app installed, but like the Facebook icon got inverted so that like the F was now dark and like, or the F was blue, but like the background was a dark gray. I was like, that is interesting approach that Apple is taking. And I 100% believe

Apple is automatically inverting some app icons so that they can get these big companies that make really, really boring icons. If you make an app icon that has a white background with your logo on top of it, it is a boring app icon. That's my spicy take for the week. But I 100% believe Apple is doing this to like kind of poke these companies into like, hey, make a custom dark mode app icon. But yeah, it's kind of interesting because if you set your dark mode or your home screen to dark mode

now, it automatically not just adjusts the widgets, but it adjusts the app icons. And you can't separate those out. You can't separate having just dark mode widgets and light icons, unless the widget supports a custom theme, which like the Apple ones don't. The Apple ones just go off whatever your system, you know, setting is for light mode or dark mode. But like some third party ones let you set a theme or something like that so i find that a very interesting choice yeah i i dig it i like the i like the dark mode icons and i like that they are forcing it on apps i've got a bug where

it isn't actually doing what you just described all it does is slightly dim every icon so it's just like a darker version of the same thing i have some of those too i think it just depends on how much like it's able to detect in the icon so like the things icon just dims uh the final cut icon weirdly just dims uh like there i do have a lot like the good notes icon even though it has a white background it just dims so i think it kind of just depends on the app icon like is it like i've noticed a few that are more like traditional what we would call skeuomorphic and stuff like that

those don't really get adjusted they just kind of get dimmed a little bit um so i think it probably it depends on how much the system is able to detect oh is it just like two colors and we can invert these or make a white colored black or whatever yeah um what do you think about the tinting that the tinting i don't i don't like the tinting i i i i 100 percent i think apple is doing the tinting to get these like third-party apps and developers and stuff to make their own custom dark

mode icons but i i don't like the tinting at all yeah that's the one thing i really hope that they iterate on more over the summer because it's it's just not right like because it is basically just like a dark mode but with all your icons the same color yeah and like that's not what i was hoping for with like customizing my icons like i was hoping what i think they should do is they should let you set a foreground color like they do now where you can set like the icon color on each icon and then

also set the background color so instead of a black background on every icon maybe you could set like a nice pastel pink or something and then you could do these your own customizations but like it feels like it is only made for people who love dark mode and love just the dimmest screen with no wallpaper sort of thing like it doesn't lean into the fun sort of like aesthetic look that i think a lot of people like 100 the the tinting is probably the way they went about it is probably the easiest way

to go about it but not the right way to go about it the only ones i've seen look good are if somebody goes like full monochrome and like takes out all the saturation and like it's just black and white and stuff like that but like i've seen some people like try and do like fallout theme where it's like black on bright green and stuff like that. And just doesn't, it doesn't look good because it's just applying like almost kind of like a filter layer over your home screen. And just doesn't, it doesn't quite look good. - Yeah, agreed.

- But there are a couple of other things in iOS and iPadOS 18, control center customization. I've been really enjoying this. I've been setting up a few different control center pages. Like I've been creating a custom home accessory page, which is really nice because previously in iOS 17, it would try and be smart about like what controls you might want to see. And when it tries to be smart, you don't really get to see everything you want to see. So now you can pin specific stuff to it. So like I can pin my garage door, I can pin my studio lights or something like that to this home screen page.

And I personally have been really enjoying that. But also there are third-party controls that you can put into it. And I have one beta right now that has control center controls, and it's dark noise. And it's really nice to just be able to turn a scene on and off right from control center. I actually think this is going to end up replacing a lot of like one to three action shortcuts I have that I use to like just trigger things in apps from anywhere from the system. I think this control center ability is going to replace a lot of that.

But overall, I'm really liking the control center stuff. There's kind of two different kinds of control center toggles third-party apps can do. There is like a straight-up toggle where you can just turn something on, you can turn something off. And then there's like a status change almost where it's those bigger ones where you can kind of like – I didn't even come up with a good way of explaining this. But like you can do a little bit more. But right now, the only third-party ones I have access to is just the on-off toggle.

Have you guys tried any of these yet? I like the new Control Center. It's probably my favorite new thing in iOS 18. Although, once again, I'm a boring one. I really don't want to set up multiple pages in Control Center. Yeah, I tried that. By default, I think it comes with three. It comes with the first page, a page dedicated to home controls and another for the now playing view, right?

But you can change all that. What I ended up doing is I removed the bonus two ones. I kept only a single home screen, control screen, control center screen. Oh, my God. And I only tweaked a few controls in there. And it's nice that you can actually move around everything now and resize everything. I think that's a big change that I can still feel excited about despite not using multiple screens.

But yeah, it's good. Nice. Matt, have you been playing around with it at all? You know, I have. I think the two things it made me realize are, one, that yes, a dedicated page for your home controls is great. And then, two, it made me appreciate how well Apple laid out the previous control center. Because as I was trying to, like, change the, like, main control center page, I didn't have a lot of changes to make. I was actually pretty happy with how everything was.

So I happened to make a ton of changes to that first page. That's pretty much the same. And then, yeah, I've customized the home, a second page for home stuff. But that's been pretty much it so far. So I'm excited to see what third parties do with it once they're able to release updates for it. Yeah, my only big complaint about Control Center, and it really has nothing to do with this year, it's just been kind of the ongoing since it's been redesigned, is on the iPad, there's a lot of wasted space. You bring down the Control Center page and it blurs out everything else behind it.

And you just have this little column in the right corner that like there's just a lot of wasted space. I honestly think like they could combine notification center and control center together or they could do something a little more interesting where it was just like a drop down menu. But you still had access and could see the rest of like your apps and stuff that were open. Yeah. Apple, if you're listening, don't do this, please. Yeah. He's just joking. He doesn't mean it. Please don't combine control center.

I just think there's a lot of wasted space. Oh my god. Nah, there's a lot of wasted space. And you could just make the whole thing. Because right now you have to swipe in the top right corner to get control center. But if you swipe anywhere else, you can get notification center. If you just swipe down from the top anywhere and you got both, that would be a much better interaction. But I do think a better way to go. A better way to go. Hang on. I got you. I got you. A better way to go. Just give us a menu bar on the iPad.

Ooh, yeah. Yeah. Menu bar, put control center in the menu bar. Call it a day. And don't blur out the background when you click on control center. Just don't do that. Anyways, let's keep moving on because I got a couple more things I want to talk about. Passwords app. So excited. We have a dedicated passwords app. This was one of the two things I got from my wishlist this year, which is kind of a bummer, but that's okay. But we got a dedicated passwords app, and it's great.

I absolutely love it. It not only has all your passwords, it has all the passkey stuff. You can do 2FA stuff in there. It has all the authentication stuff in there. Love it. It's great. Have you guys used it? What do you guys think about the passwords app? I think it's very good. Although I was not among those who really waited for this. Really? I was fine with it living in the settings app, mostly because I don't have to manually open the password section that often anyway.

But it's a good change. And the fact that you can now have Wi-Fi settings in there, I mean, yeah, Wi-Fi credentials. That's really good. And you can even share Wi-Fi passwords with a QR code, finally. Android has had that for years. Yeah, but yeah, it's nice that we have that. One thing that I must say, because I say this every time we talk about something on this show, the icon's not good.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I don't think the icon's good at all. Yeah. We are like the icon critics. That's what this show's going to end up being known for. It's just criticizing icons. Yeah. But yeah, I love that it's here. I've been a iCloud password keychain user for years and years and years. I used LastPass for a long time because in IT and corporate enterprise world, that's what you used. But when I left the IT world, I was so tired of all their security breaches and all their issues and stuff.

I was just like, you know what? I'm just going to go full in on iCloud. I'm not going to pay for it. I actually never used 1Password. I've never been a big 1Password user. I used it for a little bit to separate out like work stuff and like personal YouTube stuff when I was just getting started with YouTube. So I'd keep that stuff separate. But then iCloud passwords came along or got good or something like that. I don't remember exactly the timeline, but I've mostly just always been a big iCloud keychain passwords person.

And I've never had any major issues with it or any really issues with it at all. Little different experience over here. I love that it works for people. It doesn't work for me. That's all I'll say, because I always get roasted by people who are like, why do you like anything besides Apple's password app? So that's all I'll say. Interesting. You're talking about one password? I do like one password. I think it's by far the best password manager out there. Even the new version of it. I mean, I've never used it, so I don't sit around and complain about it because I've never actually used it.

But I've seen enough people complain about, like, it not being responsive and their browser plugins not working. If you use it in Safari, it sucks. I do agree the browser extension in Safari sucks, but the app is great. The Chrome extension is incredibly reliable and it works across every platform. It is so much better than the iCloud or an Iguess Passwords app extension for Chrome. Like the passwords extension for Chrome is atrocious and it makes you like authenticate every single time.

and when you have a laptop docked to a computer or to a display you can't use touch id so you have to key in like your password every time it's a whole pain i really don't like it but i love that people like it so i'm not going to say any more again uh yeah that that's not um that's yeah that's not great uh yeah so use cases use cases yeah i i will say in one passwords i guess defense they are very clearly going after the enterprise market they're not worried about they're not

focused on like the personal apple user anymore like they're very clearly going after enterprise world and in enterprise world chrome is way more important than safari um because especially now with edge being a chromium browser so yeah for what it's worth i pay less in a year for one password than i would pay in a month for superhuman to go back to last week do the freak out thing again by the way if you didn't watch the video version of last week's episode you missed out uh i will just say maybe go back to the superhuman section um

but just really quickly uh i want to talk about a couple of ipad os uh things um calculator app is now on the ipad uh cool i'll finally stop getting the comment of but where's the calculator to bro um i don't know why people would constantly i i always got that comment and my response was the app store or spotlight like it's there like yeah you just go download one there's a bunch like whatever you know anyways it doesn't really matter um but one of the really cool features in calculator

is math notes it's the ability to either use the apple pencil or type out math problems and it solves them in real time. If you use the Apple Pencil, you can just like write out problems, you can use variables, insert graphs, all really cool. And then another really interesting feature is Smart Script, which is in the notes app. And what Smart Script does is it learns your handwriting and adjust your handwriting as you're writing. And as you're continuingly writing, it adjusts. So that way it kind of cleans things up as you're writing out in your notes document. So say you're writing a journal

entry or something like that. And you're writing, writing, writing, it cleans up your handwriting. And it even works with my atrocious handwriting, which is impressive. I, by the time this episode is out, there should be an interview on my channel with two product managers at, or one engineering manager and one product manager at Apple, where I did an interview talking to them about math notes and smart script that should already be out. And if it's not out, I just pre-announced something and it'll be out very soon. So awesome. But I did that.

But when you're listening to this, I did that last week. I went up and I was at Apple Park for a day and just got to chat with them about like how these features work and stuff like that. And it was really interesting. And then the last thing, I'll throw it over to you guys if you have any iPadOS stuff. But the last thing I want to mention, files app. The other thing I got from my wishlist, you can format external drives now. You long press on it when the external drive is plugged into files. And there is a format option there. So incredibly nice. I'm shocked it took this long to come.

And it wasn't originally with iPadOS 13 when the iPad got external drive support. It should have been there from the start. But it wasn't for some reason. But it's here now. And I'm so happy it's here. I've got a small complaint about this. So I tried it and my first attempt was to format a USB drive that I had used to install a Linux distribution on another device.

The result of that is on the USB drive, there were multiple partitions. And when you try to format a drive that has multiple partitions on it with iPadOS or iOS 18, because it works on iOS 18 as well, it is not able to format it to a single partition to take advantage of the whole of the full space on the drive.

Oh, I see. It's only able to format a partition at a time. Yeah. You don't have the ability to erase partitions and, like, unify the drive again. Interesting. To completely reset it. Yeah. So, small complaint, maybe, at some point. I think it would probably need to... Apple would need to add another piece of UI to this to handle this. I'm not hopeful that it's coming, but yeah.

I definitely see this as one of those things. They put this in there because of people like me were complaining. They were like, hey, I went out and just bought this external hard drive, and now I have to plug it into a Mac to format it. I literally once got an external hard drive, plugged it into my iPad. It didn't recognize it. It went, oh, no. I didn't have a Mac, so I had to drive over to my brother's house and use his Mac to format this drive. Like, this is a terrible, terrible experience. This is one of the reasons why I've kind of been complaining about this for such a long time. So I'm glad it's here.

But yeah, you're right. It's not like disk utility. Like disk utility is not on the iPad. Yeah. Matt, you have anything on iPadOS you want to you want to mention? Yes. So a couple of things I really like because I feel like I've been a little negative on some of the things. So a couple of things I think are actually really nice. The messages updates, I think, are really good. I like the send later. I like the new emoji reactions. I like the new text effects.

Those are all good. I've enjoyed having them. And I'm annoyed when I'm texting someone who I know is not on the beta because I can't use those. That's the nice thing about our group chat is I never had to worry about, oh, are they on the beta? I'm like, I know they're on the beta. Yeah, for sure. Also, like RCS is coming. So that's great. And then I also really like a little thing that is really like just perfect for me is the ability to map out hikes in the maps app.

Oh, OK, which I don't do it for like hiking, hiking. But I often go around, especially around like June and July when we have a lot of fireworks going off. My dog is terrified when fireworks happen. So the trick we and he like stops walking when we when a firework goes off and we have to like carry him home. So it's a huge pain. This means we go we drive like a mile or so in like random directions and then walk there because it's a new place. He's excited and that gets him to like walk more reliably when he's anxious, I guess.

But when you go to a new neighborhood, you don't know like how far each like block is. You don't know how far you're going to be walking. So like I can now map it out very easily in the maps app and like get a nice mile long walk or whatever, which is normally what we do. So that's been actually really nice to just like know how long I'm going to walk in a new area when I go there. So I love that feature. Interesting. That's really cool. Nihilian, you are next up in our show, Doc. I am really excited for this because I've always been. Well, you tell us what you got.

Yeah. So I'm not going to be too long because it's a bit of a meh story. Oh, no. I'm a big fan of dynamic wallpapers, if you see what I mean on the Mac. Dynamic wallpapers. These are the wallpapers, and correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the wallpapers that change every hour throughout the day. As the sun sets, the sun sets with your wallpaper. It gets night, and then it gets morning, and then noon, and stuff like that, right?

That's exactly it. These were introduced as part of macOS Mojave. when they added Dark Mode to Mac OS. And it had a beautiful wallpaper with a dune and with the sun shifting around all day long. So all shades of day and all shades of night. Really beautiful. I still love that wallpaper. But here's the thing. So Apple has added a bunch of a time of dynamic wallpapers.

But every year they get more boring. these days so this the past few years you know that the default macOS wallpapers they're more abstract they're not photographs they look pretty to be honest i like them but the thing is even though they are dynamic wallpapers they are not so dynamic as you would think because basically if you look at the Sonoma one or if you look even before that at the Ventura

one and even um which one was that before Big Sur yeah anyway if you look at all these they vary throughout the day but just in terms of brightness or in terms of slightly darker shades but it's not really telling of what time of day it is currently right and and that's what i like about pandemic wallpapers on the mac those that are really well made is that i can tell i just

casually at any time where the sun is in the sky right now outside uh especially if you like me don't go outside much but um but yeah so this week i was i always have those periods where i am bored of my wallpaper i need to change it like i feel this urge it needs to go it needs to be changed right now and i i spend days trying to look to find a good wallpaper and this week i wanted to focus on finding a good dynamic wallpapers and that's that's hard guys that's hard to find a third party dynamic wallpapers there are a few online that you can find there's a website

called the dynamic wallpaper club um that has a bunch of them it's a community uh website so So basically, anyone can upload their own dynamic old papers on there. But yeah, the quality varies. Some of them don't have enough of a resolution to look sharp on my big monitor at my desk. They look fine when in laptop mode, but yeah, blown out on the desk, they look horrible, most of them.

And some of them on this site are even not even trying. I mean that you can tell that they use this utility to make this dynamic wallpaper. And they just inserted a bunch of different pictures in there. And for example, a picture of a city during the day and a picture of a beach at night. It doesn't make any sense. It's not a continuous landscape that evolves.

Some of them are just like, you can tell someone who wanted to see a certain city at day and a beach at night, and that's it. But yeah. So what they were probably trying to do is like, hey, city means work, beach means like personal time or something like that. Yeah, I can see that. I can understand that, of course. But that's not what I'm looking for. There's a great utility that I've already mentioned on MaxTorys a few months ago. it's called Dynaper. Do I pronounce that right?

I think so. Yeah, D-I, no, D-Y-N-A-P-E-R. So that's a small utility that helps you make your own dynamic wallpapers. It's really good. It has two modes, one where you can insert one image for day and one image for night. that changes just according to your dark mode preference on the Mac. But there's a second mode where you can insert a plethora of images that are assigned to a time of day.

And so you can make a dynamic wallpaper that evolves throughout the day, every hour or so. So I try to make my own, and that's really difficult. It's tricky. It's tricky. I try to get started from one of my own photos and like basically do it all through editing. Take a photo that I still had a role for it and try to edit it so that it looks really dark at night and really bright during the day.

And even some trickery to move the sun in the sky if there's the sun in the sky. But you can tell it's made by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. So why am I talking about this today? Because the result is I haven't found the wallpaper. I'm still using one of Apple's built-in wallpapers. It's a great one. It's one that's built into macOS, and it's called the beach. It's an artwork, a beautiful artwork that evolves throughout the day.

And it's got a nice detail in that the shoreline on the pictured beach, it changes throughout the day. So at night, the shoreline, I think, is retracted a little bit. I think it's meant to represent the tides, right? So that's really nice. It's a really good call of paper. But why am I talking about this today? I'm talking about this today because we have an audience.

And maybe some of you are really talented. And maybe if you are motivated to create a beautiful dynamic wallpaper, let me tell you, I would be ready to pay for it. Of course. Yeah. So I don't know. It's just a call that I'm throwing out there on comfort zone. Let's make more dynamic wallpapers and sell them online. Do what you want with them and make them available in any way you see fit.

But I think we're lacking some really good dynamic wallpapers on the web right now to as great alternatives to Apple's built in ones. Yeah, I really like dynamic wallpapers. I remember when they were introduced and I was like, oh, that's cool and was hoping they would come to the iPad and they never have. I, you know, I'm a photographer. I do a lot of landscape photography. I would love to do some kind of dynamic wallpaper thing. But boy, would that be a lot of work because you would you would have to take a photo.

I mean, if you're going to do it right, you'd have to take a photo every hour in the same spot. So your camera wouldn't be able to move. You would have to camp out and stay up for 24 hours taking a photo. And I'm sure there's probably ways to Photoshop it. But I'm kind of like more of a traditionalist when it comes to photography. Like, I'd like to actually take the photos and stuff like that. So but yeah, I love dynamic wallpapers. It is kind of surprising these never, you know, took off. Like for as big as like wallpapers and stuff, like wallpaper packs and things are, I'm just probably it's a little harder than just, you know, zipping up a bunch of JPEGs.

But I think there's an explanation for that is that they're limited to macOS. Yeah, that's true. If Apple made those available, usable on the iPad and the iPhone, I mean, they would take off right away. I mean. Yeah. well what's interesting is there is a system in place you can set it up so that ios or ipad os changes your wallpaper every hour yeah using shortcuts right well not even shortcuts it's built into the custom lock screen stuff now like so like when you go and set up a custom lock screen and then you can have that apply to your home screen as well it can shift a wallpaper every

hour if you want but you would have to go in and you would have to like get it all timed right and upright and make sure they were in the correct order and stuff like that. But I'm kind of surprised Apple just doesn't do dynamic wallpapers on the iPhone and iPad. It seems like they have the parts there. They just need to put them together. Yeah. And the only one that comes close on iOS right now is the weather. Yeah. That changes throughout the day according to the weather and the sun in the sky cycle i guess uh and and technically like the earth one would too like the earth one rotates but

yeah yeah i i yeah i guess there are some that are there but not the kind that you're talking about where like it's a single landscape image and let it rotate through um you know morning to noon to evening to night and stuff like that but chris you're a photographer photographer right yes i mean yeah so when are you delivering on this i mean um the moment i can stay up for 24 hours and keep my camera in a single spot taking a photo over and over again perfect so that's tomorrow right yeah exactly i'm gonna get right on it i will have it for you i will have a full wallpaper pack

minimum 12 images for you uh by the next time i record great perfect all right we can get right on yeah so i have so when we started the show we had an agreement i think that we don't strictly have to bring tech things as our topic i think we said tech adjacent but we'll allow this okay so This is absolutely tech adjacent.

So what I'm bringing is the fellow Stag Pro electric kettle. And this, there is an app you can download for it. So it is tech adjacent. I have not done that, but still. The only tech box that you've got to know. The only thing that's tech related. So, okay, so there's a screen on the base of the kettle as well. But can it run Doom?

Probably. Sure. Why not? Oh, this looks really nice. How are you going to prove me wrong? So, yeah. So, order it. Just a really nice kettle. It's one of the most popular out there, at least in the... It's a premium kettle. It's not a normal, like, you know, $20 kettle that you just pick up from the grocery store. but I make coffee every single day I make tea sometimes so I am using this thing constantly I've used the same kettle for like 10 years and every once in a while you just kind of want a nicer

version of a thing and so this was a nice thing that I could get for myself and I love it it's so nice a couple things that are really cool about it video watchers and people who click the show notes can see kind of what it looks like. I got it in green, which I think looks very, very classy. And I just love it. It heats nice. They say it heats very quickly. It heats normally, I would say. I don't think it's any quicker than any other kettle I've used. But it does have a nice feature where it will hold the temperature for you for up to 30 minutes, which is nice because sometimes I

forget that I put it on and have to run back and start it over. It has a schedule on it. So if you wake up at the same time every day and just want that hot water ready for you immediately, you can have it just kick on 10 minutes before you wake up and then you immediately have boiling water when you go to the kitchen. So I love that. It has elevation control. So if you live somewhere way above sea level and boiling like water, boiling temps are funky, you can have it adjust for that. So that's pretty cool. And yeah, you can tell it how hot you want to make the water.

So it has a thermometer in the water and you can see in real time as it heats up on this little screen what the water temperature is at. And you can tell it where you want to stop heating. So it doesn't just go to the like as boiling as possible, like a typical kettle. If you want it a little cooler, you can actually have it stop a little earlier. So I like that quite a bit. This might be the shortest segment ever, but I've also this is also I kind of posted that I bought this on Mastodon. And I had a few British people reach out to me and give me tips on how to properly make tea.

And I bought some British tea. That's very, very nice. They told me that I should probably put some milk in it, but I should absolutely not put sugar in it. That's great information to have. And yeah, it's just a really nice little product and definitely a splurge. All that money that Chris wanted me to spend last week on a Vision Pro case that I refused to spend, I put it into a kettle. And I'm very pleased with it.

This looks pretty good. Yeah, I will say the one that is matte black with walnut, love the look of that thing. That is something like... Would look great on your desk. Yeah, like if I had money to just light on fire, that's the kind of thing I would just buy and put in my kitchen or something. But I have a confession for you, too. Oh, no. I hope this is a judgment-free zone. It's not. No. Well, I'm still going to confess. I think the entire point of the show is it is.

So I guess, yes, we will be as nice as we can be. No. We say it's judgment-free, but we're all sorry. I mean, I totally judged you for putting your Vision Pro in a T-shirt last week. A T-shirt. A $3,500 computer in a T-shirt that's super fragile that we've already seen. Anyways, my confession. Let's remember that. Yeah. I don't like hot drinks at all. I cannot drink hot drinks, whether it's hot coffee, tea, whatever.

Hot chocolate. I do not like hot drinks. It could be freezing outside, below freezing temperatures. I am still going to drink a cold drink, whether that's Dr. Pepper, a bottle of water, water out of my bottle container thing, or like cold brew or something like that. I do not drink hot drinks at all. I cannot stand them. I don't know why. I don't like to be hot. And I just, yeah, that's my confession for the week.

I hope you all can forgive me and absolve me for my sins. He is a non-judgmental reputable. You're a weird guy. That I already know. I already know that one. Coming back to the kettle, I thought, looking at the listing online, I thought there was a camera on the handle. I don't know if you can see this. It's the second picture?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that? Oh, yeah. It's just a screw. It's just an Allen wrench. Okay. I really thought that was a camera. The screen on it does look very nice. I will say it does look very, very nice. And like, that is kind of cool. But yeah, not for me. I think I'd rather protect my Vision Pro than have something that makes water hot. Maybe you can use this instead of a case. You can use this boiling water and then pull it on top of the Vision Pro.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Those aren't waterproof. I'm going to assure you it's protected. Comfort Zone takes no legal responsibility if you break your vision. This is real advice. Do this. Don't do this. All right. I think it's time for something, y'all. You think it's time for something? Challenge. Challenge. Challenge.

challenge challenge challenge this week's challenge was matt matt what did you uh have us do i wanted everyone to try a browser that you haven't used either ever or in a long time and find at least one thing that you really liked about it even if you're not going to stick with it so that was that was pretty much it simple but hopefully kind of fun and uh gets us outside our comfort zone so uh chris what did you uh what did you land on i i went full outside of my comfort zone uh and i decided what browser i was doing when you all were talking about what browsers you

were currently using um because i even admitted on that episode i hadn't used it so i used arc on my iphone and a little bit on my ipad but mostly on my iphone um i hadn't used arc before not because i was like boycotting it for any reason or something like that but the real proper version arc is not on the iPhone or iPad. So I was like, well, I and I'm somebody that really likes it, like having in Safari, I really like like the iCloud tab groups, like the ability to pull a tab from another device or something like that. And just having everything sync, like, especially now,

like, you know, 10 years ago, it used to be a lot easier to use different browsers on different devices. But now with like, tab syncing and bookmarks and all that stuff syncing and stuff like that. It just makes way more sense to use one browser on all your devices. So I've just always been all in on Safari. Now, one thing I loved about Arc is it is built around search. And one of the things I realized using Arc is that's what I use the web browser on my phone mostly for is just looking something up really quickly. I'm not sitting there browsing the web on my phone.

I don't sit there looking on Amazon or Reddit or whatever. Like, I don't browse the web on my iPhone. Like, that's something I use my iPad for. Typically, because I work from home, I don't even really touch my iPhone that much in the house. I usually just have my iPad with me or my iPad mini. So, I love just how fast it was to use for search. So, when you open Arc on your iPhone, it immediately not only opens up the search bar, but puts the insertion point right there and you can just start typing. And then the other thing I

really loved is it has this tab design that's very similar to the iOS app switcher. So you can just swipe through your tabs and I kind of love that. I really like just seeing everything laid out in a card, picking something and just going. The Safari grid of tabs is not bad, but the issue with that is it blows everything up and it puts if i remember right it puts like six tabs on the page so things can get kind of small so it can be kind of hard to see like the details of a certain tab and i i

like the card view because you can just see everything and be like okay that's the tab i want and you're ready to go so those are the things i loved about arc on the iphone but there is something that kind of just rubbed me the wrong way. So the whole idea around ARK is, yes, you can just use it for regular Google searching or DuckDuckGo or whatever search engine you want to use. That's fine. But there is this browse for me option where ARK uses its AI to pull up results. So you can be like, hey, what are some really good restaurants in San Jose? What are some things to do

around Fresno, whatever. Like you can search for all those things and you can do browse for me and it'll pull up results from you pulled from other websites. I did a couple of searches because I was kind of just, I was a little egotistical and was a little curious what would happen. So I searched for things like, what are the best iPad apps? Give me some iPad tips and tricks. How do I do this on the iPad. And a lot of those pulled stuff from my videos. It pulled results from my videos. And it showed my video as one of the sources it pulled stuff from. But because it's giving you these AI

results, it was outlining everything out for you. I was like, well, why would anyone click on my video? So it's pulling stuff from my videos without my permission, because this goes back to this goes to a whole nother issue of uh on youtube even though i own the copyrights to my videos apparently i have no control over whether an ai can pull stuff from it like youtube and google are just happy to let anyways that's a whole nother discussion but i was just kind of it made me

think a lot more in just broader terms of like um okay so people use this browse for me thing it pulls all the options yes it does show its sources but why would anyone go and click on those And if you do any creative work on the internet, most likely like how you make money and how you pay to do like how I pay my bills is by people clicking on my videos. So I'm like, well, why would anyone click on my videos if they already got this stuff? And obviously there's more into my videos than what this pulled out. It just pulled out like the top level stuff. So like best apps, it pulled out some like, pulled out like obsidian and good notes and stuff like that.

But I was like, so I had very mixed feelings on that. I can see the really nice things. Like when I was like searching for, hey, where's a good place to eat around Apple Park? It gave me a bunch of results. So like when I did that interview, I had a little bit of time before that. So I went and got lunch and stuff like that. So it was really cool to see those kinds of results. I can see the utility of them. But also I'm a little like, I don't feel good about like taking traffic away from people that are actually making this stuff.

okay i i i think we had a similar conversation about um arc search and our perplexity episode so i think people know where we stand on that but yeah i i definitely agree um there is some utility there and the the fact their mobile app is built around search definitely does make some sense i do that pretty much every time i open safari on my phone and it's one more tap because it launches and then you just tap the address bar and you're in a search field so it's not that much more work but and and there's a setting in there that it like after a amount of time it just when you open arc it automatically jumps into the the search bar

which i actually really like that feature because uh i'm like yeah if i'm opening a web browser on my phone i'm searching for something i'm not going to like i don't like even really read blogs or anything on my iPhone. Yeah. So, um, the, the one thing you mentioned about like tab sync and stuff, um, the, the bummer is that on the Mac version of arc, uh, which is like effectively in a completely different app, um, and is awesome in my opinion. Um, on that one, if you're, if you have like are assigned into multiple Macs, it syncs beautifully. It syncs like your open tabs as well.

So like you can like have a certain set of tabs open and then you can open your new, your other computer and they're just already open they're already there you don't need to like like manually load them or anything so it's super great there it's kind of a bummer that their ipad version is the arc search uh browser and not their mac browser but yeah that was one of the things when i when i installed arc on the ipad i when i realized it was just like the essentially the blown up version of the iphone app i was just like that's really disappointing because i do actual work on my ipad

not just like searching for things yeah so we'll see how they sort this all out but they have a couple products now that are very distinct and uh we'll see what they do yeah neilion you are next up in our document what do you have for us yeah um so i i made a double pick and i think because of this i win right uh we'll see we'll see we'll see this competition yes we score i i we've done

that a couple of times for the challenge i honestly wouldn't be uh against like hey can somebody win the challenge for that week like that would be okay we'll allow it this time but we might have to come up with some rules for this um so yeah my double pick is i chose to try another browser on the mac and i chose to try another browser on the iphone two different browsers yeah on the iphone

i went with kish browser i wrote about this app um soon after it came out last year i don't know When was that? In the fall, maybe? And it was recently updated with some new features. But in a nutshell, it's a really nice browser for the iPhone that's very customizable. And I don't mean it in a way that it's customizable and looks all right.

I mean that it is customizable and it looks really nice, whatever you do with it. yeah and in that sense i think there's an achievement here um the developer behind the app is a really good person too and and yeah i think they're really talented in ui design they've made something that really works here so it you can move around pretty much everything in the ui you can move the address bar you can change how it behaves you can change how it looks so you can make

it look like something that doesn't look like an address bar, actually. You can just have it display the page title and change the font. You can change the color of the UI. You can have the color, the UI adapt to the current web page. You can have the address bar on top, on the bottom. You can have a second toolbar in which you may move around the icons. You can choose which icons appear, in which order, you can change the style.

There's a main menu, an overflow menu that you can open. You can change everything in that menu. And even beyond the customizations, I think the UI is really smooth and really snappy. We all say, well, it's a meme, right? Safari is snappier today. Yeah, Kish browser is really snappy. the animations are actually well done but they're not drawn out they are really fast and things appear right away

the tab switcher is a lot faster than Safari's tab switcher Safari's app switcher is not slow per se but just the animation it takes a bit of time every time you need to go in there and switch and switch tabs, Kish Browser is just boom, there you are. You can select a tab and boom and you're in another tab. So that works really well. So that's Kish Browser. I'm going fast because I have a double pick and I win.

So the second pick is Firefox on the Mac. So I need to tell you a bit about myself. A long time ago. In a galaxy far, far away. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I couldn't help myself. A long time ago, more than 10 years ago now, oh my God, I was an active contributor to the Mozilla Foundation.

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's another life now, but yeah. And at the time, I was working with other contributors. So I was doing that for free, by the way, as a volunteer. And I was working on Firefox OS. I don't know if you remember that. oh yeah but was that the what was that was that their phone operating system or what was that supposed to be that's it yeah it was a mobile operating system that did not go so well but i think we'll have um we'll have opportunities to talk about this uh soon so just to just to say that i used to be a mozilla head like a really hardcore mozilla head and firefox uh i used it

used to be my brother like my brother of choice the browser i would evangelize about and yeah really good brother suffice it to say that over the years this browser has stagnated so it i think i think it was a good opportunity to yeah to try it again see how it's how it how it is today and on the mac it's it looks okay i'm i'm i'm i'm going first with the the bad stuff so

i can focus on on the good thing uh okay so it looks okay it looks old i think that's that's what it is it looks old um and at first glance nothing's changed much since the last time i used it and that was a while ago. So yeah. Yeah. But good things. The good things is once again customization, because if you go into the settings of Firefox, it's actually quite incredible nowadays to see

this level of customization in the desktop web browser. The themes section in the Mozilla marketplace or however it's called the add-ons portal where you can download stuff for Firefox the themes section is pretty crazy it looks wild you can have you can make your Firefox your yeah your Firefox look very ugly if you want but you can also find some really really nice stuff in there some rainbow themes some really classy ones that are subtle but look nice. I think it's worth trying

it out just to see if you can I mean you can have a splash of color in your web browser and and and still have it look great and I think these are themes that look a bit old-school because nowadays when you think of themes for your software it's always or it's often a different color palette right or a different type of coins different icon themes but here it's old school in that you can have a weird pattern image texture as the background for your browser chrome and it looks wide like straight out of the 90s or

or something like that. It's really straight. Or rather early 2000s. But yeah. So that's my positive thing about Firefox. It's really customizable. And I think it fits well with Kish Browser on the iPhone. Nice. Nice. Yeah. I remember back in the day, because if I remember right, like Firefox theming has been around for a very, very long time. Like when I was in high school, which would be over 15 years ago at this point. Oh, God. Yeah. over 15 years oh man i was like did i do that math room nope uh let me just say for one second um it's getting really for those watching the video it's getting really dark in my room right

now electricity did not go out there's a thunderstorm right outside uh yeah wish me luck Yeah, just to acknowledge that my camera has gone dark. Oh, yeah. All is well. Oh, no. Okay, well, I hope you're okay. But, yeah, I remember when Firefox theming was added, and I think I was in high school when it was added, or we found it in high school. I don't remember. I just remember in high school, we played around with that a lot because we had, like, a laptop program.

So we all, like, either brought a laptop or we had a laptop from school or something like that. But most of us, most of us nerds use Firefox. And yeah, it was it was a good time. Good, good, good time. Good, good, good time. But Matt, you want to you want to bring us home? Yeah. So I have been using Vivaldi, which is not new. Isn't that a composer? It is. And it's been wonderful. Instead of browsing the web, I just listen to music.

Nice. I love that. um so vivaldi ironically neilian you've stolen all of my thunder uh what makes vivaldi cool is customization so yeah once again i win see yeah you win first you get the tiebreaker dang it um yeah so so before i was i i have unintentionally over the years been someone who likes a niche browser i'm rarely the one using

like safari or chrome or whatever so for a year a couple years now i've been an arc fan i was an arc fan before it was like as big as it is now and before it was a cool before it was cool obviously before it was cool and kind of annoying um and then before that though i was way into vivaldi and I really love Vivaldi because it gave me super minute control over every little interaction. Like where should a new tab open? When I hit control tab on my keyboard, how should I move through the tabs?

Like should I go in recent, most recently used? Should I go in just the order that they're there visually? Like there's a trillion options. So I want the tabs on the left, right, top, bottom. Where do I want them to go? What theme do I want to use for the app? Do I want it to match the theme of the website I'm on? there's so so so many things like it's unbelievable and if you're someone who like when you install an app and you want to okay when i install a new app for the first time what i almost always do is i'm like okay where's the settings and i want to go to the settings and i want to tweak everything so

if you're like that if that's your natural instinct vivaldi is going to scratch that itch very well for you um and they have so they have apps across the iphone ipad and mac as well as windows android like they're everywhere uh they have their own mastodon server which i know people in our audience will be interested in um so that makes them good guys from the start and uh they're from like oslo i think so yeah just very nice scandinavian uh people i think uh founded by people who used to work at Opera. But anyway, these are all just like details. It's a Chromium based

browser. So all your Chrome plugins will work here. They work great, including the one password one for me. And yeah, it's, it's really I like having this amount of control in my browser, especially for what really got me into it originally was for my work browser where I have, especially when I used to work in like our support team at work, I was working very, very fast and had to do things like quickly and having my browser behave exactly how i wanted was super cool for that um i would say the one downside of vivaldi is there are a couple areas where it's

a little scrappy in terms of the ui so it's not quite as nice as something like arc or safari or quiche um you can kind of you know you can change the colors and you can like you can change the border radius of your tabs if you want like this is the sort of customization we're talking about in Vivaldi so yeah there's like you can do things to make it look nice and I think it looks fine but like it's not gorgeous their iPhone app is a little um it feels slower than Safari it's so not as snappy as Safari and it's it's a little weird how their sync works like every time I logged into a

new device because you can set up a Vivaldi account to sync your tabs and your bookmarks and everything every time i um signed into a new device it would like wipe the server and replace it with the default like bookmarks that are on their app so it was like amazon wikipedia the vault like so i had to like redo my bookmarks a few times yeah so i don't know if that was just a me issue or if it's a common issue but just a couple things didn't make it perfect um but i am using it on my mac and really enjoying it there um not as much as arc i don't think but like if i stopped using arc i think

vivaldi would be where i'd go for the mac and i think i'd stick with safari on the uh iphone and ipad but it's a really good browser um and i i really like again the customization is just ridiculous so um yeah pretty delightful but a little scrappy interesting i i've downloaded well you both were talking i've downloaded quiche and vivaldi and i'm gonna i'm gonna play around with them i've heard of both of these but because i'm on the ipad and in the u.s but i mean i guess we haven't really seen

any non non webkit ones but the ipad and the iphone has if you made a web browser for it you had to use webkit as like the back end for the web browser you couldn't use chromium or any anything else what you know all the other ones that are out there you couldn't use any of those you had to use webkits so basically every browser on the iphone or ipad uh right now is just like a reskin version of safari so i've never really felt the need to go outside of safari because you know there's a lot of system

things you can do with safari and with a uh safari on the iphone and ipad but uh because of the the eu You and the DMC EU people can now get non-WebKit browsers. But I don't think, and Nimeon, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there are any out there currently. No, no. Oh, God. And I'm not even sure that any are coming. Yeah, it does kind of seem like one of those things that's like, yeah, that would be great for one market,

but that's a lot of work to build a whole, because you would have to build a whole browser from scratch. You can't just like, okay, uncheck WebKit, check Chromium. Like it's not that simple. So I could see like a lot of people waiting to see like, okay, what does the US do? And what do other markets and stuff do in this instance? Yeah, absolutely. Transition is hard.

I was about to say, Vivaldi, their Mastodon instance, they have my theme installed on there. Oh, nice. So through Matt's topic, I win again. You win again. You win again. Total domination. Yeah. I feel like Matt's point should be taken away because his whole thing was customization. You beat him to customization. Plus, they have your theme installed on their Mastodon instance.

So I feel like I get one, you get three, Matt gets zero this week. How's that scoring sound? Perfect. Okay, cool. Matt doesn't get a vote. No. I'm just kidding. Brutal. Yeah. Well, I have a challenge for you guys to do this week, and I'm very excited about it. This has been on my list of potential challenges since before we started this show, and I've just been patiently waiting so that Niléane could participate.

But this challenge is going to be do something with the Vision Pro. Now, for Niléane, I'm not expecting you to go out and spend the equivalent of $3,500 in French money. I would just say, like, you know, go to the Apple store and try a demo. just to say in france it starts at 4 000 euros oh that's oh how much is that the u.s dollars that's 4 300 dollars oh that's the starting price in france i think that's about never mind i don't

even want to say it um moving on but so neilion i i would just say do the demo go to the apple or try the demo. You know, I think that would be really interesting to hear from somebody that hasn't used one yet, what their first experiences were. But Matt and I, since we are suckers, we own them. We own Vision Pros. We have to do something new. So you and I, we have to come up with something new. This could be a work thing.

It could be an entertainment thing. It could be a new accessory. Just has to be something new with the Vision Pro. So I have a couple of things in mind already. But yeah, what do you guys think about that? Yeah, I'm going to Paris this weekend. I'll be jumping in an Apple store, the one in Saint-Germain. And we'll see. Okay. Apparently, the hype is not there. You can just go in the store and ask for a demo and they give it to you.

There's not much of a booking. happening that's not great well that's that's convenient for you at least yeah yeah yeah yeah uh yeah so anyways that is the challenge for next week um thank you all so much for listening uh matt can you tell everyone goodbye and what you're up to i shouldn't have asked that question i know exactly what you're gonna say but do it anyways because it's funny let's do this now find a dating app thing dating questions i'm doing it this can't this can't go on this can't go on okay yeah no i i

i like that um okay i like this let's let's let's do a dating question all right so matt tell uh tell everyone goodbye and um what your favorite music album is yeah oh boy oh boy okay so i have a cheat sheet this one's for the audio or the video people last year i spent the entire year posting a album that i love every single day so i have a

list of 365 of my favorite albums and i printed out every single album artwork and put on my wall so i'm scanning that now oh i love that what's my favorite to list the 365 now yes you will you You may notice that your podcast player is only one third through this episode. You're going to turn it into a rap. Oh, no. It's like Yakko's, the Animaniacs Yakko's world tour thing where he does all the countries.

Yes. Okay. I don't know if it is my favorite of all time. Okay. I'm going to give you two. I'm going to give you one that's British and one that's French. I love If We're Feeling Sinister by Belle and Sebastian. And I love Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix by Phoenix. Those are my favorite albums. Good question. All right, Niléane, you're up. Tell everyone where they can find you, obviously.

But what is your favorite music album? My favorite music album is Tack by Segeros. And find me on a masternone at Niléane. Nice. uh well i'm christopher Lawley you can find me on youtube christopher Lawley la w le y or the untitled.site with links to all my stuff mass it on instagram all that stuff is there i'm gonna cheat because i'm the one asking questions well matt issued two my all-time favorite album probably nirvana unplugged because i love live albums and it's actually uh because of that album

my girlfriend and i met maybe i'll tell that story another time but because of that album that's how my girlfriend and I met uh but my favorite most recent album uh just because I want to brag a little bit uh Blink 182's latest album that love that album so much just got to see them uh when you're listening to this last week uh amazing show they're fantastic um but yeah that's me so thank you all so much for listening have a great day