One Dad at a Time, Please!

Welcome to pop welcome to podcast. Welcome to comfort zone a podcast all about pushing your hosts well outside of their comfort zone. I'm Christopher Lawley and every week I'm joined by two co-hosts that well they didn't beat me. As always we're joined by Mr. Matt Perchler. Matt how are you doing? Hey Chris I'm happy. Yeah you're happy? Oh my god. Very happy. You're happy. Interesting. I'm curious to find out why. But before we get to that, Nelian, we are also joined by Nelian. How are you doing?

Hello, I'm doing well. And I'm dealing with this better than Matt. Okay. Yeah, that's true. You kind of usually have a rigged system so that you always win. Anyways, let's tell people what we're talking about. Democracy. Our challenge last week was, Matt, and it was to find a free game on the App Store. We had three submissions. Niléane, tell us who won and who didn't. All right. You won with your pick, which was Vampire Survivors at 59% of the votes.

I came in second with my game OK. with the long fingers. And Matt came in last with Gabins with 9% of the votes. I did better when I cheated on games in the past. I followed the rules. It was my own challenge. I mean... 9% is a great, Matt. So here's my theory. I think, Chris, you picked one of the greatest games of the past 10 years. Yeah, that a lot of people have already played.

It's hard to deny. yeah um neilian you were appealing to the long finger club there's just a group who like long fingers and they all voted for your game even though they're not in the game is my understanding and uh there just wasn't room for just a really good word game so it's fine i'm not bothered by it i'm the only one who picked a truly free game let's just say that well vampire survivors is was is also free on the app store too like the app store version i i just there's i think there's like an app purchases or something like that like it is free to download and play okay never mind

yeah i see what you're trying to do there yeah you did well you did well yeah what i'm not going to say a bad thing about vampire survivors so it's a good game and i would be lying if i said i didn't when i was picking a game i didn't look for a game that i knew people had already played because i I wanted to win democracy. But, you know, that's the name of the game. But also, I was really late to the game, and I wanted to play it anyways. So it's a great game. Anyways, let's move on, because we have a lot of stuff to talk about this week, and we can't go super long.

So, Matt, I saw you put something in the document about Matt's lightning round. What's going on here? Yeah, so I have a lightning round of follow-up that I wanted to do real quick. A week or two ago, We talked about smart accessories and this idea that there are people out there who use the Philips Hue app, for example. I got feedback afterwards from someone who does use the Hue app. And that is because they don't use, they just have a couple bulbs. They don't have a hub. It doesn't work with HomeKit.

And so they have, it uses Bluetooth through the Hue app. And so for them, they're like, I don't do that much, so it's fine. So that was one reason I hadn't considered. they could not be compatible with HomeKit. Yeah. I didn't even know you could connect to them via Bluetooth instead of the hub. You must have to be fairly close to them to trigger them. Yeah. It doesn't sound ideal, but it sounds like they have very basic use, and they're on a schedule, so they never really do anything anyway. Oh, okay. Okay. I get that.

So, yeah. So, I thought that was interesting. The second thing is I—we all love Mastodon. Mastodon's cool. I have been using FanPy on the web, fanp.social, for like a year as my web interface because it's really cool. It did group notifications, had a nice UI. But ever since the Mastodon 4.3 update that we talked about a couple weeks ago as well, I'm back on the normal Mastodon interface with Tangerine UI, which somebody makes. I think it's the same person that makes Bitcoin, right?

It's anonymous. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a Bitcoin person, right? yes um oh it's neilians and it's it's incredible so i'm using the blue variant right now which is very rad how do you feel about the blue variant neilian like i uh to me it seems like a lesser variant than the orange one right oh are you trying to turn her against me in my own follow-up segment yes yeah i agree with chris but i made it so it's all right so it's still good yeah there's

clearly demand in the market for a blue Macedon thing. Neelion has become our like color czar where like I just always go to her whenever we have questions about color because you know I made her I had her do she approve of my Apple Watch band and stuff like that because apparently my orange one wasn't the right orange but whatever. And then the third thing I wanted to this for I guess you and me Chris, how are you using the camera control button these days? It's been like a month or so since we got these phones. So I'm curious how it's going.

So I started off using the default camera app. All the controls enabled so you can like tap on it and change like the f-stop and the lens and all that stuff. Then I switched to Halide for a little bit to use it with just like quickly taking like the process zero and raw shots and stuff like that. But I am back on the default app because I found it really nice to be able to do video and portrait and ultra-wide stuff and macro stuff all right from one app. I mostly always take raw photos, so that's big.

You know, I just edit it later. I don't really do photographic styles. But I have disabled the ability to change settings because I found that I was accidentally changing settings while taking a photo way too often. like lenses would change or the f-stop would change and all that stuff and I didn't like that so I turned off you can do it under accessibility camera control so right now the camera control button opens the camera and takes a photo perfect so I have also gone on a journey but where I've ended up is my action

button launches the stock camera app which I use most of the time because I prefer the action button for launching the camera which is a tough look for the camera control um and i have the camera control set to launch halide okay and then i use that specifically when i want to take a raw photo so i'll use that but most of the time i'm using the action button to just launch app so it's all cameras but yeah and halide also has like i think by default it does nothing as well when you swipe yeah i saw sebastian dewitt uh kind of talk about

I think it was on threads or something to talk about how he was like accidentally triggering stuff too. So, uh, yeah, I, I'm in the same boat. I have highlight on my home screen. Uh, I did a iPhone home screen video, my highlights on the home screen. So I can still take like those process zero shots when like, it's a good subject. I've kind of like narrowed down, like when those work the best, uh, usually outdoors, usually during the day. And if it's not super, super bright outside. But for the most part, I just got back from the beach.

I took a bunch of raw photos there. They will be in an upcoming iPhone video. And I'm really happy with the way this camera looks. Like, it's nice. It's really impressive. So we are going to try something a little different going forward. Typically, in the past, all three of us have brought something to talk about, something new to talk about tech-wise. And then we go into the challenge. but I have been noticing and I don't know about you too but I've been noticing we each bring something

we go long and then we rush through the challenge part so yeah so we kind of discussed in our text channel like basically the person that brings the challenge that this week so I'm bringing the challenge of try a new version of multitasking they don't have to bring something for the the main part of the show or the or the bring something to talk about part of the show. They're just going to focus on making the challenge the best they can and then the other two will bring stuff. That way we're not rushing through these other bits and we're just going to try it out and see if it works. That's the thing with

creative projects is you have to try new things you have to mix it up and see how it works and my hope is this gives us a little more time to discuss things in depth and not rush through different segments because we're going long because either Matt needs to get to his job or like this week I have an appointment like immediately after we hang up i have to run to this next thing or neilion has responsibilities and stuff like that so that's kind of our hope yeah keen uh chapter users in the podcast may notice that the first chapter is always the longest the second one's a little shorter and

the third one is the shortest of all so as the person who puts together the chapters i'm like huh interesting yeah and as the person that edits it i always notice that like we spend And it's exactly that. And then we get to the challenge and we're all just kind of rushing because we see what time it is. And we know like one of us has to get to something because we have other responsibilities. But we also want to make a really good show. So we're hoping that this gives us a little more padding. Plus it gives a person essentially a week off so that they're not having to bring something 52 times a year like we were kind of talking about.

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I'm excited for this too. And this is the brand new Kindle Paperwhite, sixth generation, I guess it is. Now, this isn't the base Kindle. This is the step above that, right? This is the step above, and it's the signature edition. So it's the step above the normal paperwhite. Okay. All right. I'm already confused. There are five Kindles now. So I'll get into that in a second. What's interesting about this to me is that this is actually, which is kind of crazy to say because I buy a lot of tech things.

I've never owned an e-reader before. So this is my very first one. Same. I've never owned one either. I've never owned one either. I've always been a big physical book person, despite the fact that I feel like I am a very techie person that's always on the bleeding edge. I love holding a physical book still. But I have been very Kindle and Kobo? Kobo curious? I think Kobo's the other big other one.

I have it bookmarked here. I'm so Kobo curious. Yeah, Kobo is the other one. Kobo is the other one, yeah. Yeah, so I like physical books as well. I've got some physical books behind me. But what I hate is the space these books take up. So I don't want everything as a physical book. And if I'm traveling, I don't want, I mean, they don't take up that much space. But they add weight. They do add weight. And I was, I mentioned last week I was in New York. So I was on a plane and I looked across the aisle and there was someone just reading on a Kindle.

And I was like, that is the life for me. That's the life I want. Because I, I mean, now we're getting into my slight neuroses, but I cannot use an iPad or a laptop on a plane. I just can't bring myself to do it. I did not know this about you. Why is that? I get so self-conscious about the people around me seeing what I'm doing. Really? And especially with like watching something. Like, I don't want to watch a movie and have other people around see the movie with me, especially if I haven't seen it before.

What if there's a sexy scene? What if there's some crazy violence? I don't want to be like sitting on a plane and have people looking over my shoulder and being like, hmm. I mean, they probably don't care. We're all in our own. You don't know them. But I see. I love plane trips for one thing. I get so much work done. It is because there's nothing else for me to do. I will sit there and edit a video on a plane. And keep in mind that I'm editing a video of me talking into a camera.

Like, you don't get more vain than that. So, yeah, that's wild. Like, you don't even want to watch a movie or a show or something. I don't. It just seems so high risk. It's irrational. I'm aware of that. But I don't like the idea of doing that for whatever reason. What I do on the train is judge when people read newspapers. Oh. Because, yeah, because I tend to like form in my head a whole, like I try to imagine their whole political personality

based off what kind of news they are reading. Oh, yeah. I'm toxic like that. I always wanted to be one of those people that like read a newspaper and like a fancy like red velvet chair with like a smoking jacket, a pipe and either a coffee or a brandy next to me. But I don't like any of that stuff. So, yeah. What if it was a Diet Dr. Pepper? Okay, now you got me. Oh my God.

So anyway, let's move on from my stupid things that I can't get out of my head. The Kindle Paperwhite. I... Okay, so the lineup. There are a bunch of new Kindles. We don't have time to get into all of them, but there's basically a baseline Kindle, I think just called Kindle, and that's like $110. There's the Kindle Paperwhite, which is $160. And the differences between these are not huge, actually. This is a slightly bigger screen.

I think it's like a 6-inch or a 7-inch screen. This has kind of a flush, like the whole thing is flat, more like an iPad, Whereas the other Kindle has thicker bezels and the screen is kind of depressed into it, like an old school screen. And I guess the screen quality is a little higher, but like there's not a big difference. I actually learned while I was going through this and like watching reviews and stuff for previous Kindles. There's a whole segment of people who actually prefer the cheapest Kindle because they like the tinier size, the lower weight and the thicker bezels.

So there's like, if this was, if this cost twice as much, like I would still get this cheap one because it's better for me. But based on what I knew about myself, I figured I'd want a little bigger screen and a slightly nicer one. There's also a new color one. I forget what it's called. Like the color. I saw that. It's not out yet. I think it comes out next week or this week. By the time you're, when you're listening to this, it's out this week. It might already be out, but we're recording early. So it might not be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's best while recording not to think too much about timelines. It's very complicated. But yeah, so there's a color one that looks cool, but I don't want it for reading anything. I don't want it to read comics on necessarily. I have an iPad that could do that. Also, apparently. E-ink display. So it's not going to be really nice. The comic book art isn't going to look great on it because it's still an E-ink display. the ink displays don't look great even even the color ones they don't look amazing for art yeah and the dpi is halved in that case so these all the all the kindles every single model has 300

dpi uh but in color mode the color one is 150 so it's it's it's quite a bit lower um i also learned during my research this isn't really a review this is just matt learns what the e-reader is and and some random things about books. I was curious because the display on this, again, 300 PPI, which is less than an iPhone screen, less than an iPad. So not technically as crisp, but like when you look at it, it looks great. Like it really, indoors, it looks fine.

It looks normal. But I took it outside and like in the bright sun and I'm used to like how screens work in the sun and like they're not as visible. But like I took this out in the sun and it was like the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. It looks so good. The more light you can get in front of this thing. And this is exactly why I've been ebook curious lately. I've had the new Kindle sitting in my cart for the week. I've also had the Kobo tab open for a week.

I'm very, very like on the verge of picking one and going in the direction. And I might go the Kobo route because you went the Kindle route. So we have something different and something to compare to on the show. I mean, that would be fun, actually. And so what else is there to say about this, honestly? Oh, the hardware. So the hardware quality. Like, this is very much not Apple-style hardware. It is more, I mean, it's very nice.

The way I would describe it is basically it's as good as it needs to be. but it's not extravagant and so i think the example that came to mind while i was uh kind of writing up my notes for what i wanted to talk about today was the vision pro which is unbelievably beautiful hardware like if you look at the details of it it's astounding like the level of quality like that was put into the hardware like the mine sits on my desk like it's it's it It looks beautiful. The outside of it looks beautiful. And like I could see like I know iPads exist and those are awesome and everything. But this is much it's I think it's technically metal

on the paper white but kind of feels just like hard plastic to me. But like it's super light. It's super comfortable to hold in one hand. Like it's it's just very nice. The one thing it does charged with usbc as well um the one thing that sucks about this and i do not understand at all is the power button is just next to the usbc port on the bottom it's not in a corner it's not centered anywhere it's just at this very weird spot that i don't understand that seems like

my palm would hit that quite a bit when you're holding it so it takes some pressure to push it I haven't accidentally hit it. Okay. You kind of just do this weird gesture when you have to. Sounds like they thought about this at the very last minute. How does this feel using it one-handed? Obviously, like I talked about last week, I have the new iPad mini. I've been reading books on it. It feels incredibly good to hold it just one-handed.

And then you can do the flip page motion in the books app. Works really well. Issue is it's not an e-ink display. You cannot read a book outdoors in sunlight on the thing. So that's why I've been kind of a little more e-book curious because I just got back from the beach. I literally published the iPad mini review and went, peace, out of here. So I got back from the beach, but when we were at the beach, like the iPad mini was basically useless.

Yeah. So it is pretty good for that. Like I kind of hold it. It's hard to show off, but like I kind of rest it in my palm and then I just have my thumb on the front of the screen and I can tap on the right side to go to the next page. It also does left and right swipes so you can do whichever is more comfortable. I do kind of, I heard Jason Snell talking about this on his Upgrade podcast. He really misses the e-readers with physical buttons on the side for page turns. And I do kind of get that because like while I'm reading my fingers on on the bezel and i have to move it to change uh page and it would be kind of nice if

i could just squeeze and change the page page that'd be nice i heard him talk about that too and i looked at older ebooks and they all have buttons like they have these big bezels on the right side so you can turn pages and i know why they got rid of those because they want to make them look really clean and aesthetically pleasing tech devices and stuff like that but why don't they just put the buttons on the back like you have your fingers back there put put them on the back you could have a go forward go back button right on the back maybe you might accidentally hit it i don't know but big kendall if you're listening do that and send me one big yeah it definitely feels like a

thing that could be improved i i definitely understand now that i have it in hand like why those buttons could be could be appealing um and then the other things i'll say is I'm walking into this ecosystem like 15 years after they started being a thing like maybe more I forget when the first Kindle launched but uh there's a lot of integrations into this which is cool so uh you can buy Amazon books of course and you're kind of using Amazon's ecosystem um but you can also connect Libby or I think you can connect your library card directly I know you can connect

your library card i know you can do that okay so i have a liby account that's using my library card to borrow books and you can sync ebooks from not every book is supports it for whatever reason it's a little frustrating but a lot of books do support it so you can like borrow it in the liby app and say send a kindle and your kindle will just have it the next time you open it up and you can read it there so that's really cool um there's an audible integration so you can listen it does support bluetooth so you can connect bluetooth headphones if you want uh and you can listen as it reads and

i think auto highlights for you kind of as you go that is very nice um there's a goodreads integration so if you use goodreads which is also owned by amazon now uh you can basically when you start a book you can tell on the kindle you can say like update my goodreads to say i'm reading this book and once you get to the end of the book you can say mark it as read on goodreads so if you use that that's kind of cool um you can highlight books and you can sync those to readwise so everything comes back to readwise eventually does it work with raindrop.io as well uh i don't

think so okay because i would love something that could pull my read it later articles yeah i don't i i feel like there are some i've heard people talk about this where you can send your read later list to the kindle and read there somehow kobo has something like the like there is a like a kind of almost like an iftt kind of setup the where you can basically but it's like some other side i actually hadn't heard of it until i did research and i don't remember what it is off top of my head but like basically you connect your two accounts and like it kind of sort of works but

you know one day it could just disappear yeah um and i think the last thing i'll say about this is uh you know we're apple fans we buy a lot of apple hardware and we're very familiar with the kind of ladder of pricing that they do where oh i want to spend 300 but if i spend 400 i get this nice thing and then i'm already spending 400 maybe i spend 500 and i get this one um this is how i ended up with this kindle uh because the first one the basic one is 110 and i've never owned an e-reader

i probably should have just gotten that one to see if it even worked um but for 60 bucks more i could get all these additional features a bigger screen it's a little nicer um and that's cool but oh it's got ads so it's another 20 to get rid of the ads and so i'm up to 180 and then the signature doesn't have ads and has a couple other features like auto brightness and I think a slightly nicer build qualities that's only 20 more dollars anyway that's how you end up spending $200 on a kindle the price ladder the price ladder I think the color one is like 250 260 so then presumably if that was available I would have been like well I'm already in for 200 what's another 50 bucks

so I guess it's good that this was available for next day shipping and the other one wasn't So maybe I did save some money. But anyway, it's too early to say how I'll feel about this long term, but I am flying again in a couple weeks, and I'm so excited to read this on the plane because it's really enjoyable. I really like it. This is really interesting, but my big question to you is, what did you do on planes before this then? If you didn't use your iPad or laptop, did you just sit there the whole time and just look straight ahead?

I shouldn't have said this. Are you one of those weirdos that you're just like, what is this dude doing? So, oh boy. All right. This isn't going how I wanted it to go. You're just listening to the radios included on the airplane. Yeah, I'm just listening to the onboard pilots. Yeah. The pilots. So what I do is I make sure my podcast app has all my podcasts downloaded. I make sure my YouTube app has all of my Watch Later queue downloaded.

And I watch and listen to these on my iPhone. And I try to sleep. But I can't sleep on planes, so I just am listening to things the whole time. I don't even know what to say to that. I don't even. Matt, get some work done. Write some scripts. I'm telling you. I have never gotten... I've gotten so much work done on planes. It is the best. I have seriously thought about just taking flights just to get work done.

Oh, boy, the carbon footprint is... I didn't do it. I mean, the flight's going to happen anyways. I'm not going to take a private plane, but, like, there... But, like, I... And I wouldn't actually do that, but it's a thought that has popped into my head that like, oh, I could get worked on. But yeah, I don't even know what to say to you. Anything else on the Kindle? I'm very curious about it. I think I might order the Kobo because I kind of want to compare the two on the show, and I think that might be interesting.

Because I'm really enjoying reading more. I fell out of it for a while, but I've been getting back into it. I'm rereading Dune right now. My girlfriend got me a very nice hard copy version of that. But that's not something I would want to travel with because it is a very big and heavy book, as most fiction books are. So I would much rather have a light tablet that I could just keep in my backpack, pick it up whenever I have time and not have to worry about, oh, I'm draining the battery on my iPad.

But I might need this for some work stuff later. That's why I kind of love dedicated device like this and handheld gaming devices. Like, well, if it dies, it dies. I'm not going to be out of luck for some work stuff later on or having to need to bust out an external battery or something like that. Yeah, your productivity device is still okay. I should also mention the book I'm reading right now is The House on Mango Street, which is a fictional book. It's very short and has a bunch of tiny vignettes, like two or three pages each, about a young girl growing up in Chicago.

which is very, it's actually very, very good. So highly recommended. We'll put links to these in the show notes. Niléane, I'm very curious about your pick, and I got a twist for you when it comes to this. So what do you got for us this week? I have a twist for you. Okay. So it's a very simple thing. This week, I uninstalled Fantastical. Fantastical? Fantastical? On all my devices. um so just like feed bin my annual renewal came up for the subscription and i re-evaluated it and i think i don't want to pay it anymore it's very expensive and i don't yeah use like even half of

the features I'm paying for in this app. So I try to go back to calendar and I think it's pretty good, especially with the updates in Sequoia and iOS 18. There's a bunch of small design changes that make a big difference actually. So for example, on the iPhone, there's a new view where you can view two days at once on the screen in portrait mode.

And that's very nice because you can always see what's up tomorrow and what's coming up tomorrow. And on the Mac and on all the devices actually, there's an integration with reminders. So, as you know, I don't use anything to manage my tasks. And calendar is the exception where I have important things in there and calendar invitations because I get those from work and all sorts of things.

So I get those and I have them in calendar and it's good because otherwise I would forget them. And the idea that now I can have my reminders in calendar, it means that suddenly my medication reminders are there. and I'm not like I don't think I'm a changed person because my medication reminders yeah some of them are two weeks behind and like I've taken my medication I've just not checked

the reminders and this is exactly why I don't use anything to manage my tasks or my to-dos or anything because I just do the things and I forget to check them off and it falls in this in this in whatever word is that disarray disarray yeah um so yeah anyway the calendar app is pretty good on a mac and I'm missing something from fantastical on the mac it is the menu bar app

Fantastical's menu bar app is very good. You can do almost everything from inside that thing. You can create events, edit events, browse the calendar, browse by dates, months, years, reminders, everything. And the built-in calendar app, Apple's calendar app, doesn't have something like that. I've tried Dato. Dato is a small indie companion app to the calendar app.

And it just does that. It adds a calendar to your menu bar and you can view your events, your upcoming events and the month and your reminders as well. And that's okay. But I think it's very clunky. I think it's too clunky for me. And I got rid of it. Right now, I'm not using anything in my menu bar. And I've tried something else, which is I've added a calendar widget on my Mac desktop.

And that's... Here's the thing. I don't like adding widgets to my Mac desktop. I don't like them. I think they're weird. There are several visual bugs with them that have been there since Sonoma and are not fixed in Sequoia. And actually in Sequoia 15.1, they fixed one bug, which is when you switch spaces, they no longer go opaque.

They stay translucent, although they go opaque for a second. So it flickers every time you switch spaces. So that drives me wild. Anyway, but the widgets are good. Like, it's the same widgets that you get on iOS and iPadOS. So, by themselves, the widgets are good. I think they're pretty, and they let you just see, peek at what is coming next on your calendar. So, that's okay. I feel very strongly the calendar app widgets are the best calendar widgets of any calendar app.

I completely agree. Especially the extra large one, completely agree. Yeah, it's very good. I have the large one on my iPhone. I kind of like the today view, the swipe over thing. And I love, I use the large one and I love that it shows me today, like in the morning. And then once I'm like done with all my events for the day, then it kind of does that two day view where it shows, okay, tomorrow morning, here's what you have. It's so good. And it looks great. Like, it's fantastic. Yeah. But yeah, anyway, that's it.

I'm just, I moved back to the free included calendar app. And I think the updates that they have added, that Apple has added in the latest versions of their operating systems are pretty good. I have a twist for you. Oh, wait. You go first. We have a few twists and turns here. One dad at a time, please. Okay. Matt, you can go first. A couple weeks ago, I did the exact same thing.

Oh, look at us. So I did the exact same thing as well. I'm not even joking. With another twist, I also am using reminders now instead of things. What? What? If you go back to the very first challenge, I'm not going to get into a lot of detail. I'm going to be making a video about it. But if you roll back a few episodes, you can see the progression of it. If you remember, I talked a little bit ago about Airtable and how I was struggling finding a project management app.

and I talked about really what I need is something that has like a Kanban view and a calendar view. And then I realized, oh, with iOS 18 and iPadOS 18, I get both when using reminders and calendar. That's true. I have a calendar view. I have a Kanban view. And I was really struggling with having my task management and project management in two different apps. I would get in the habit of checking one but not the other. I have to have that stuff in the same app. So, yeah, I'm using both calendars and reminders right now.

You know what's funny is it's in my iPad mini video and nobody noticed it. Oh, you're lucky. Usually people eagle what task manager I'm using and will ask me a bajillion questions about what task. I was talking to John Voorhees about this. People, some people, not everyone, but some people lose their mind when you switch task managers. And I don't know why, but like, I'm just experimenting here and I'm going to make a video about it later. But I'm just going to leave it at that for now.

Yeah. I definitely understand the, there have been several times where I'm trying something out. That's outside of what people know that I use. And if I'm recording a video or something, I will switch back to the old thing just to not cause questions. It's definitely a thing. There's definitely been times where I've tried new task managers or new note-taking apps, And I purposely don't put them in the dock because I'm just trying it out. And I don't want to cause like stress to other people. Like it's okay. You don't have to use what I'm using.

I'm just trying like it's part of the job to try new things out. So yeah. Yep. So the reason I switched away from Fantastical as well. Unbelievable timing. Now that I think of it, now that I think of it, Matt, you posted a screenshot at some point. And I think I noticed that you were using the calendar app instead of Fantastical. This happens. So the reason I used Fantastical, because I think I've talked about this on the show before, is that I have a terrifying calendar.

I have every second of my day basically planned out. It's horrifying. And Fantastical was hyper-reliable and updated quickly. And I just always knew what was going on and I could trust it. and then a few weeks ago for whatever reason some events weren't being deleted when they were deleted by the person who scheduled the thing and i lost trust it like it was like that i just lost i was like oh if it's not 100 trustworthy then it's just like the apple calendar app which is not 100

trustworthy either so um and there was the stupid bug in fantastic element maybe i'm the only person in the world who has this but it happens on multiple machines so i can't imagine it's just me sometimes i'll switch back to it only on the mac this happens i'll switch back to it and it will randomly show me a date like 10 weeks in the future and i have to hit the today button to go back to like today's view it happens to me on my personal computer my work computer on multiple versions of mac os it's happened for like a year or two um and so that was a minor annoyance but then

And I was like, let's just try Apple's one. And it's going fine. I may switch back at some point. But yeah, crazy that we all made the same change at the same time. Yeah. One more thing. I noticed how fantastical's natural language input to create events. I do miss that. Yeah. I was about to say I didn't like it. And I always like try to bear with it. But I always hated it because it does things weirdly.

Like when I want to add a calendar event, most of the time it's got to do with other people. That's why it's very sparsely populated because I only put things in there that depend on other people. And one thing that I do is like in an event title, I write dinner with, I don't know, David. And Fantastical does this thing where it wants, when you write with someone, it's looking up your contacts and trying to add it as an invitee to your event.

Don't do this, please. My tip for this is if you want a title like that, that it's going to parse somehow, put it in quotes. If you put it in quotes, it'll just know that's the title. Okay. You won't try to do anything smart with it. But I think Apple Calendar, the natural language thing in there, works pretty well. That's wild that we've all come to the same conclusion at the same time. We did not discuss this. This is not a bit. This is absolutely 100% something that we all came to independently.

If you look at my iPad mini video, you will see reminders and calendar in the doc there. This is unbelievable. That's awesome. All right. Are we ready to move on to the challenge? Challenge. Let's do it. Challenge. All right. So the challenge this week was mine, and it was to try a new form of multitasking. I loved this challenge. I love doing this one. Oh, that's good. I'm glad you had fun. Yay. All right. So we're going to start off with me since I issued this challenge.

And for me, I really only had one option because I work from the iPad. Yes, technically, I have a Mac Mini, but the only thing I use it for is to record this podcast, and I don't really even do, like, on the iPad mini right now, all I have is edge up so I can see riverside. Like, there is no multitasking happening on that device. So, on my iPad, I am primarily somebody that uses it. I have a 13-inch iPad Pro. I primarily use it in the Magic Keyboard or at my desk plugged into the monitor, which means I basically use Stage Manager for everything.

Even though Stage Manager isn't the best, there's quite a few flaws. But this week, I turned Stage Manager off and just did Split View, which meant I had to give up external monitor support. I have not used my external monitor for a week. Let me tell you, this week, I really could have benefited from it while I was editing my iPad mini video. That was rough. But I gave it up for the show. You technically could have, right? It's just it would be mirrored and it would be 4x3 or whatever on the screen.

I don't even know if that's an option anymore with the new, like, if you have an M-Series iPad Pro, because I think when you plug it in, is it? Is it? Okay. I didn't even really go into it. I was just like, I'm not going to mess with it. Stage Manager was off because I know you can have Stage Manager off on your iPad, but when you plug it into the external monitor, it turns Stage Manager on for the external monitor. You could still have split view over on the side, but it's still, it's always going to be stage manager on the external monitor if you're not mirroring.

But that's okay. I did split view, and I have three sections in here, and I labeled it the good, the bad, and the ugly after a very good movie. So the good of split view is it has better keyboard shortcuts. Like, overall, I think it has much better keyboard shortcuts. You have keyboard shortcuts for adding stuff into split view, either to the left or the right side. When you do this, your app that you have open moves out of the way. You see your home screen. You can go into the app library. You can really build out your home screen to be an app launcher for split view and stuff like that.

Really great. There's also a keyboard shortcut for revealing slide over, which slide over is great. It's so good. It's great. I used it a bunch for when I was editing my video. I had my Obsidian document with my color grade presets and settings and stuff right there. Worked great. I had messages over there. I had music. It's just kind of a nice place to put apps that don't need to be full screen. You can build a pair in split view from the multitasking window.

So you know that basically area where you see all the apps that you have open. and you can force quit them from there, or you can drag and drop them on top of each other, and you can create split view pairs. You cannot create stages in Stage Manager this way. It does not work in Stage Manager. I don't know why. And you have better handling over apps that have multiple windows. It just feels like you have much better handling over that than Stage Manager.

But then there's the bad. You're limited to two apps at a time, sort of three if you count slide over, but I don't really because slide over is kind of meant to be like this temporary thing. You're not really supposed to have it open all the time because it covers up. Anyways. And the dock is always hidden. I love having the dock revealed with Stage Manager. I don't ever have anything take up the full height of the display because I like seeing the dock there. I use it to quickly jump between different stages.

open apps in my current stage and things like that. And then the ugly. Some apps just don't look good full screen, especially on a 13-inch iPad Pro. Messages full screen on a 13-inch iPad Pro is almost unusable because you just have long lines of text going way across. It just does not look good. There are a lot of apps that just benefit from being kind of like in a smaller scale setting.

kind of like music music's a little better but like messages discord um ivory kind of unless you really want to have like the the big view but even still like ivory full screen and a 13 inch ipad pro doesn't look good i i mostly had like ivory and discord and split view the whole time and things like that that's interesting i was gonna say i actually feel i'm a split view user normally i'm on my head i have the 11 inch so it is a little smaller okay but actually sometimes when i'm using stage manager sometimes apps feel weird in stage manager to me

so i wonder if it's just kind of what you're used to but i do agree with you on like like social apps uh discord and uh ivory especially like having your feed the full width of your screen is a little crazy well like an rss reader doesn't look good like the full width of a 13 inch ipad like it's too much like there's a bunch of padding in the article and stuff like that so i would put like raindrop io and leer next to each other and stuff like that so like it just doesn't it doesn't i don't know i don't think it works as well on the 13 inch ipad pro um but i i have fixes for that that

i think could be interesting but the the really the thing that absolutely killed me is in stage manager if you have iphone apps installed on your ipad they just run like they would on an iphone you can't scale them to be full screen they're just narrow tall app windows it sucks but it's fine like it works like i have instagram for example uh on my ipad i have croissant on my ipad and i use those quite a bit just right from my ipad i don't i i honestly if i'm posting something to instagram or using croissant or something like that i'm not doing it for my phone i'm doing it

from my iPad. But split view still has the classic thing of, okay, we're going to run this iPhone app in this tiny window. And there's just this big black border around it. And there's nothing else you can do with it. You can't put other apps in split view, you can't do it's just absolutely ridiculous that they haven't fixed that. And they could easily fix that too, by just running that app in slide over, like, okay, oh, this is an iPhone app. Okay, it's just going to run and slide they could easily fix that.

But they don't, and they haven't, and I don't think they ever will. Basically, my conclusion is Apple needs to focus on one version of multitasking for the iPad. Having this multiple versions, it just doesn't work well. They either need to go the stage manager route or they need to go the split view route. And my hot take is I think they should go the split view route, but... they need to make it like split view pro where it's like you can put multiple apps tiled next to each other um they need to really rethink it on the external monitor i i think split view is the

better way to go for a tablet but they need to have the ability to have the dock always visible um or if they want to go the stage manager route that's fine but it needs to be free flowing windows They need to lose the app limit, like the four-window app limit. They need to lose that. It's such a weird point of multitasking on the iPad right now, where you have these two very different versions,

and you can toggle between the two. But you just, like, one version has some really cool things, like Split View has some really nice keyboard shortcuts, but Stage Manager gives you the ability to have more windows open. but it's also very limited. And the way you resize windows is kind of clunky, and the way you move windows around can feel a little clunky. And then you have weird apps like Final Cut that I have a feeling were starting to be made before Stage Manager,

and Apple used something custom. So Final Cut Pro for the iPad, if you plug your iPad into an external monitor, you cannot make Final Cut Pro go full 16x9. Other apps can go full 16x9. That's absolutely a thing you can do. But Final Cut Pro, and I believe Logic is the same way, they cannot go full 16 by 9. They basically just scale up the iPad aspect ratio. It's like the settings app. Yeah, exactly.

It's 100% the same thing. So whatever they're doing there, it's the same thing. I am going to re-enable Stage Manager just because I do a lot of stuff where I want to scale the app windows to different sizes. And that would be something like if they're going to embrace split view, you need to be able to scale apps to more than just 50-50 or 1 third and 2 third. You need to be able to scale stuff. You need to be able to put like tile apps together and stuff like that. But I'm going to go back to stage manager because it's a bit more flexible, But it's still very, very buggy and very clunky.

And I just, I'm so annoyed I got to wait another year, essentially, for them to take another crack at it. Even if they, who knows if they will. But, yeah. So that's me. That's kind of where I ended up. I did split view. It's fine. There's some good, there's some bad, and there's some ugly. Okay. At the start of this podcast, you asked me how I was doing, and I said I was happy, but I was clearly grumpy. It was partly because of democracy, but it was partly as well because I've spent the week absolutely hating my MacBook.

Are you going to embrace the iPad lifestyle again, Matt? I have been using Stage Manager on my Mac for the past week. I gave it a quick shot when it was new a couple years ago and turned it off because it didn't seem to be for me. But I was like, hey, let's give it another shot. Let's see how it is. And I don't get it at all. Recognizing I've been using a Mac since 1995, so I have history with kind of how I expect my Mac to work.

I don't understand what Stage Manager is doing for me, and it just feels like I'm playing a game where it's like, oh, you want to open an app? We're going to hide the apps you were using before. Oh, you're used to Stage Manager on an iPad where you can drag an icon from the dock into the current stage that you're in? No, you can't do that on the Mac. It's going to hide all of your other apps, so then you have to reopen that stage and then find the new app you just opened that's now minimized on the right side of the screen. pull that over into the new window. It's, I've wanted to scream so many times trying to use stage manager.

I have no notes for this. I had just have a rant. I'm so, it's very pretty. My windows flying around the screen looks really cool. I don't understand how it works though. You hide an app, it disappears from stage manager, but it's still in your doc. You reveal it, and apps can be in multiple stages, and the doc doesn't really understand what that means with the open status and what happens when you click the icon in the doc.

I know I'm just rambling, but I can't think of a single thing I enjoyed about it. On the Mac, can you hide the recent strip that appears on the left side? Yes. I think you can, but then how do you get to anything? Oh, because you guys can't shift click on apps to add it to the stage. Oh, yeah. And there's no gesture from the side of the screen to bring... Maybe there is with the mouse. Maybe I should step in now.

I was waiting for my turn, but... I'm going to explode. Yeah. Save me. I think I need to bring some rationality here. Okay. So going into this challenge, I thought, okay, maybe I should try something new, a new app. But yeah, I agree with Matt. Let's talk about stage manager. We need to talk about stage manager. Because I am also exploding, but I'm trying to make sense of it. So just to contradict you a bit, Matt, I think there are good things about it.

So let's go through them all. All four good things about it. The UI is pretty. You said it. It's playful. I like to turn it on sometimes just because it feels good. Like it feels good the way that the apps move around on your screen. It's pretty. One. Two, it makes it easy to focus on something one thing at a time. So if you want to focus on something, just turn it on. Boom. Everything else goes away and you're focused on something.

Three, it has a very good potential to replace spaces. And I'm a big Spaces user. Like the way I manage Windows on the Mac is through Spaces. So the virtual desktops that you get on the Mac. And I think if Stage Manager were better, it could be a good replacement for Spaces. And I think that's a good point for it. That's a good thing going for it. It has a high potential for that. That's interesting because I've always thought like my ideal version of multitasking for the iPad would essentially be spaces on the iPad.

Like give me windowed apps like Stage Manager, but let me give me spaces so that when I click an app, it opens in that space that I have active. If I have that app open in another space, it'll jump to it. But let me label spaces so that I can have like video editing space, writing space, communication space, things like that. So when I was a Mac user, I was a big spaces person. Yeah, I get it. And that's my go-to. The spaces are really good and really powerful.

The fourth good thing about Stage Manager on the Mac is not really a good thing, but it's kind of a good thing. It's the fact that when you use Mission Control with Stage Manager on, it's a mess. Like it's a hot mess. Because you've got, imagine to try to picture it, you've got your app groups on the side of the screen, you swipe up with three fingers on your trackpad to go into mission control. All of your app groups that were neatly organized that you spent hours trying to organize now explode into an expose,

all shuffled around, mess of all your windows. They are not grouped together anymore and they go in random places on the screen. It's a mess. But I think it's kind of a good thing because it shows that mission control can tie in to Stage Manager as a kind of way to overview everything. And I think that's missing from Stage Manager on iPadOS. Yes, 100%. You can't just overview everything of your groups. Well, there is the multitasking button.

So it will show all the different stages, but it shows every app that you've ever opened. So it doesn't do a great job of organizing that. I completely agree. Like, there should be a much better, like, hey, here's kind of like a home page, essentially, of managing your different stages. Yeah, I agree. And that's essentially why I think it's a good point that we have submission control on the Mac that can tie into Stage Manager.

It just needs to be better. So these are, I think, what is good about Stage Manager. And in the notes, I've also written a bullet list of everything that I think is really bad. But I'm going to try to reframe it and frame it differently. Frame it as everything that Apple needs to do for a stage manager to become actually really good.

Okay. So the first thing is that Apple should make it so your groups are preserved. When you group Windows together on the Mac in Stage Manager, those groups are very ephemeral. They go away very easily. If you reboot your Mac, for example, they go away. You have to remake everything. So just find a way, Apple, you're a trillion-dollar company, and you are very talented.

You can find a way to preserve those groups across reboots, and that's one way to improve Stage Manager. Right now, Stage Manager on the Mac has a total of two settings, and those two settings are, do you want to open all windows of the same apps in the same group? Or do you want to open them in separate groups? Yeah, so multiple Safari windows, for example.

There needs to be more settings, is my point. There are less settings on the Mac for Stage Manager than on the iPad. That's not normal. Wait, were those the two settings, just the two options? Yeah. Is it just one setting with two options? Yeah. Oh, no. That's horrible. There's one more settings, and I think that's just hide your icons on the desktop when the stage manager is active. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't even count that, but yes.

Okay. Yeah. There needs to be more settings. Example of more settings. just one setting to open new windows in the current group by default oh my god that would change everything i on the ipad and the mac like yeah yeah that would be huge that would be huge just add this setting uh one more setting you can add is please let me name my groups i know this is a bit dumb but i want to be able to name my groups and if you could name your groups you could maybe

have more of a spatial sense of everything needs to go and that could help a lot that actually aligns with one of the things i wish they would add is the ability to save a group or a stage or whatever to your dock so you relaunch this from the dock whenever i want well the the other thing is I've always said, and I have a big list of things that I would like to see improved in Stage Manager, but one of them is shortcut support. Give me the ability to create shortcuts to build out stages when I turn on my computer or turn on my iPad and stuff like that.

Yeah. Yeah, I like this. I like that we're brainstorming here how Stage Manager could be really good. Yeah, thank you for bringing me back down to earth. I was just raging. Can I throw in one more improvement I would love to see? Yeah. Lose the four app window limit on the iPad. So right now it's not for apps. It's for Windows. So for example, if I have four apps open, let's say Mail, Calendars, Reminders, and Obsidian. If I go into Mail and I hit the new email button, the compose button, that counts as a window, and it kicks whatever the last app that I was using out of that stage.

So say that's Reminders, it kicks Reminders out in favor of that compose window for Mail, and that absolutely drives me up the wall. That's not what I expected to happen. Yeah, no, that's exactly what happens. I have a selection of improvements that could be made to one thing specifically. It is the strip to the left of the screen, where your recent app groups live.

You need to be able to reorder them manually. Just drag and drop and reorder them vertically. That would be huge. You need to be able to click and drag on a window in one group and drop it onto another. I tried to do this as well. Yeah, it feels intuitive. It feels like you can do this. You can't. You can just drag a window out onto the workspace, but you can't drag it on top of another group to add it to the group. That's wild. I think you can do that on the iPad.

You can. No, you can. Or drag an app from the... If you can, I'm going to be mad. Really mad. I don't, I don't, maybe not. Never mind. Yeah, I know you can take, you can drag an app out of the strip and put it in your current space. Yes. Yes, that you can do on the Mac, but you can't. What I'm talking about is you need to be able to drag a window from the strip to another group on the strip. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. Yeah, no. Sorry, I misunderstood.

Yeah. On the Mac, you can't shift click on the dock to add a window to the workspace. That's wild. You can do it on the strip. You can't do it on the dock. So you need to unify this. That is wild. See, we can do it from the dock, spotlight, and I think even the app library and the strip, of course. Yeah, on the Mac, it's just from the strip. And that's it. Yeah. There's almost no keyboard shortcuts. Like, why? Yeah.

No keyboard shortcut to remove a window from the current workspace to add another... Yeah, that's wild. You cannot, coming back to the strip, you cannot reposition it on screen. It's only on the left side of the screen. There is one way to move the strip to the left side, to the right side of the screen, and that is to move your dock to the left, in which case it takes the place of the strip, so they just move the strip to the right. That's the correct spot for the dock. That is the correct spot for the dock is on the left side.

Former Mac user, yep, absolutely, 100%. But imagine if you could have the chip at the bottom of the screen. I mean, I would like that, I think. Okay. Or at the top even. At the top would be weird. I could see at the top being really nice, too. Yeah, okay. What else? I think that's it. When it comes to improvements that I would make, that's it. And I think with those improvements, including those you suggested, I think we have a good way to enjoy Stage Manager on the Mac.

But unfortunately, it's been two years. Three years? How many years? Three years now. Because we got it in iPadOS 16. The iPad version got improvements in 17. And then nothing was changed about it in 18. Yeah, so that was my Quest Ventura, I think. Yeah, and I'm really sad. Every so often I turn Stage Manager on because I love the idea of it.

And I want something new, newer than my ways with Spaces. I've been managing my Windows in the same way on desktop computer for a decade. I used to manage my windows in the exact same way on Linux. Like on Linux, I had a desktop window manager that looked a lot like macOS with virtual desktops. And still to this day, I have the same way of managing my windows that is three spaces.

And that's how my brain works with windows now. But I want to move on from that. And I think stage manager has so much potential. And it's like they fired the two guys that worked on it. And I'm so sad. Please hire some people. And I mean, find those people back, hire them back. I don't know what happened here. Why is there still two settings for stage manager on the Mac? And I think there's a problem here because I wanted to mention this as well.

And then I'm done. They introduced this year in Sequoia the ability to tile windows, right? A bit like on Windows 11. You can tile windows to the left side, the right side. You can resize the tiling in the corners as well. I want that on the iPad so badly. And the thing is, this tiling window feature has so many settings, actually. You can turn off and on gaps.

You can customize the keyboard shortcuts. You can turn off and on the ability to drag to the top. separately from the ability to drag to the sides to tile your windows. Like, these are two separate settings for basically the same feature. So, like, they really went all in on settings for this tiling windowing, tiling, whatever, for tiling windows on the Mac. And just how?

And Sequoia 15.1 came out this week, and it has one more setting. added to it. I think that's the one I just told you about, the separate setting for dragging windows. And yeah, I don't know why you forgot about stage manager and you're all in on tiny windows now. Just come back to stage manager, please. There you go. Yeah. Yep. Cosign. Please come back. Alright. Well, I think that just does about for the challenge this week. I don't know who we determine who wins. You know what? I'm just

going to say both of you win because you had to use stage manager on the Mac and I appreciate you guys for giving the challenge. At least I had some bright spots in Split View and stuff like that. But like I said, I'm going back to Stage Manager. I just want Apple to fix some stuff. Yeah. But that brings us to the new challenge. And the new challenge is Neelions. What do you got for it? What are you going to have us do this week? Yes. All right. So I just, I want to say I like you.

I don't want to hurt anyone here. This is not how a good challenge goes. It's not going to go well. And whatever happens, it's okay. All right. Next week is going to be the very last episode of Comfort Zone. Okay. So the challenge is, I'm afraid to say it. Okay. The challenge is learn a new language. Okay. Okay. Let's get into it. So by that, I mean, here are the details.

I will write everything down for you guys. Next week, I want us to say something in a foreign language, like a couple of sentences, maybe just one sentence. Please make it longer than three or four words in a foreign language that you don't already know. Okay? Easy. And what's the tech aspect here? I think the tech aspect here that would be interesting is that just use whatever app you want for this. There's a big one that's very famous out there with an owl with a green owl as its mascot.

You can try that. You can try something else. Even if it's not an app, maybe you have a technique using one of your devices. You have a method that you want to try. Let's try to say something in a foreign language as best as we can next week. One more rule. try to exclude a language that you already know. It's super easy for me. So Klingon is out. Anything besides English.

For example, I'm going to exclude German. I know a little bit of German, but I can't like, I'm not very fluent. So I'm going to exclude that. I'm going to try something else. I know a little bit of Spanish, so I will exclude that. Yeah, okay. Okay, all right. Yeah, it's going to be okay, guys. I like this. No, I like this. Typically, I don't bother with learning new language apps and stuff like that. So this will be something new to try. I like this. And don't go too hard. Just say one thing for next week and try to pronounce it correctly.

Should we come up with a common phrase that we all have to say in the challenge? Like, hello, my name is Chris and I like pizza or something. I think it's funnier if we try to, we come up with our own phrases and maybe next week we can try to guess what the other person said. Oh, okay. Okay, I like that. Oh, boy. Okay. Yeah. All right, I like this. This is going to be interesting. Keep it simple.

Not too much pressure. You had me way more worried. Like, I thought you were going to be like, okay, Chris, you have to work from a Mac for a week. And I was going to be like, My Mac has 8 gigs of RAM and 200 gigs of storage, which is usually full. I'm going to do that to you. I thought you were going to say learn a new language, like a programming language, like learn the AppleScript or something. That would have been easier, honestly. All right. Well, that just about does it for this week of the show. But I have a question for you all.

So I'm curious. What dinosaur would you want to be? Not, what is your favorite dinosaur? But if you were to, I don't know, go through a portal and all of a sudden you're back in time and you're a dinosaur, which one would you want to be? I want to be a pigeon. I don't think that qualifies as a dinosaur. I will argue otherwise. Okay. All right. It's the best dinosaur. Because it's still around.

Yeah. I mean, technically, aren't alligators considered to be dinosaurs because they've lived for millions and millions? I don't know. I don't know. I know birds are the closest living relative, I think. Yeah. I have no idea, actually. Well, I'm going to win this question because I'm going to say an extinct dinosaur, which I think is what Chris wanted. Yeah. It was, yeah. I would be a brachiosaurus. Okay. All right. So I have a big, long neck. Wouldn't really have any fight in me. I would just be able to have a chill Hobbit life.

Increasing. See, my immediate thought is go Tyrannosaurus Rex. I was thinking too. The king of the dinosaurs. Like, yeah, the biggest, the baddest. Yeah. Nobody's going to mess with you. Yeah, but then you're fighting. You got to kill things. You got to do it every day. But if I have to think about what do I want to eat more, steak or vegetables? I'm going to pick steak. But the veggies are just right there. It's so easy. Yeah. Just chomp, chomp, chomp. Nah, I'm good. I'm not. Veggies. Anyways.

Okay. All right. Well, that just about does it for the show. Thank you all so much for listening. Huge thank you to MacStories. We are a MacStories podcast after all. And just a reminder, the MacStories club is on sale for the next 24 hours from when this podcast comes out. So hopefully you hear it in time. If you don't, go check it out anyways. Matt, Neilion, anything to promote? Want to say goodbye? Now's your shot. Last week, I published a tour of my desk setup on MacStories.net.

And this week, I have an overview of iOS and iPadOS 18.1. An overview of everything new besides Apple Intelligence, specifically. Yeah. Nice. I have nothing to plug, so I will just say adios. Goodbye, everyone. Auf Wiedersehen.

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