My Dinner with Ternus

Welcome to Comfort Zone, a podcast all about pushing your hosts, well, outside of their comfort zone. I'm Christopher Lawley, and I can't believe I remembered all of that after not saying it for a few weeks now. Typically, I'm joined by two incredible co-hosts, but this week I'm only joined by one. Big business boy Birchler is off doing hostile takeovers, so I'm joined by Niléane this week. Niléane, how are you? I'm fine except Matt hates us he does he's doing big business boy stuff he's like going up to corporations

like cleaning house like he's going in with like a power suit and all that stuff like not a good guy that one you know he's just he's destroying people's lives he's like he's like the bad guy from the Christmas movie where the dude dies and sees where his life, if he never existed. It's a wonderful life. Thank you. Wow. Could not think of it. Ah, yes. Die hard. Yes. Die hard. Also die hard. Anyways, it is not Christmas season.

It is WWDC season. But before that, we have some tiny topics. And I think you put this one in here, right? Did I? But yes, we got a listener feedback from NJ. I don't know how to pronounce your... Yeah. Oh, maybe it's Eugene. No. No. Definitely not. No, it's not. I'm sorry. It's early here. Riley kept me up almost all night. E-U-N-J-A-E.

They wrote, I also grew up pronouncing G-U-I just like Matt and Niléane. So, G-U-I. By the way, I'm from Korea. And if you pronounce it gooey like Chris, it means barbecue in Korean. Always messes up my brain when people do that. I love Korean barbecue. So this just further makes me think I am right and the rest of you are wrong. Because Korean barbecue is great. It is good. I love Korean barbecue. I agree on food.

I feel like I'm being vindicated right now. Okay. Korean barbecue with some Diet Dr. Pepper? Sorry. When I hear GUI, I see in my head the word G-O-O-E-Y-C. Again, a good word. I think I'm being vindicated here. Okay. Okay. Always feel free to send very important feedback, such as this one, using the feedback form.

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I didn't bring a tripod. I finally did it. I packed light, and you know what? It was totally fine. No Vision Pro? No, no. I've never taken a Vision Pro to be. I saw photos of people wearing the Vision Pro at the keynote. Oh, God. I've also seen the very first WWDC after the Vision Pro was out and available for everyone. I saw some guy walking around Apple Park with the Vision Pro on. I was like, what are you doing? Come on.

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And actually, you can click links now. It's just that it's not rendering Markdown or something. It looks weird. Oh. Yeah, but you can click the links. So that's something. That's annoying. But why would you want to be on a platform, the same platform as Joe Rogan? You know? That's true. I mean, YouTube is also a place where people, bad people are.

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, but YouTube pays my mortgage. So we're not cancelling YouTube today because mortgage bill is coming up. Sounds good. Okay. Okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. I'm glad we can cherry pick that. Anyways, we have some topics. I think we have some similar topics. So, you want to just dive right into it? Yes. So, I want to talk about the betas because we've probably installed some betas, you and I. Oh, yeah. But first, we were having a discussion off the air that we thought we should have on the air.

Because I, so last week, we talked about the DMA. And because Apple, remember, is refusing, is not releasing Siri AI in the EU because of the DMA. You guys had that discussion after I had to jump to. You had already left. But I listened to it on my drive home. And it was very good, but I do have some thoughts. All right, go ahead. I want to hear your thoughts. Okay, all right. So basically, to sum it up, they're not releasing Siri AI in the EU if it can't support the interoperability.

Essentially, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, but essentially this means you can't pull out Apple's LLM for, you know, ChatGPT or Claude or something like that. Correct? What? No. No, it's like basically, so it's the Siri AI that's being withheld in the EU. Yes. So that's like the new chatbot experience, basically. Yes. and the everything else is there all the apple intelligence ai features are there yes and the

reason why the siri ai chat bot thing isn't is being withheld is because you can't swap in claude or chat gpt or something like that like other yeah that's correct that's sorry maybe i didn't explain it very well but that's what i was trying to get it so essentially you can't pull out apples and put another one in right yes yes that's the thing and i have a thought on that um why would you want to? Because if you did do this, you would have to allow Grok and Elon Musk in because there's no way you could get around

not letting Grok and Elon Musk in. So at that point, do we really want to? And the way Apple is doing the privacy stuff is way better than every other AI company out there, including Google. I know they're using part of the Google Frontier models, not Gemini. That was something we all got wrong. We all thought it was just going to be Gemini slapped in there. It's not. It's Google Frontier models that Apple has been working on. And basically, there's the Google level of security.

Gemini in the keynote by name. They did, but it's not. I think that was more of like, we're making this easy for people to understand. But it's really like the Google frontier models with Apple stuff and also some NVIDIA security stuff in there as well. So there's like multiple levels of security and privacy. And to the point where if Apple is not the last person to touch a server, your phone and the chatbot will not connect to it and come back.

So like Google can't get back or Google can't be in there. NVIDIA can't be in there. Other companies can't be in there. It has to be Apple was the last one to touch it. And I don't know about you, but as far as privacy goes, out of the big tech companies, Apple is the one I'm going to trust the most. Okay, so here's the thing. Okay. So first, I want to say something that's very important to understand where I'm coming from. Because I'm in this situation, as always with Apple for the past few years,

I find myself defending the EU commission's position, even though I absolutely hate those guys. The EU right now is governed by conservative a-holes and, I don't know, like liberal kind of people who are obsessed with the market law. Anyway, you see what I mean. bunch of right-wing people that I hate.

And most of the stuff they do, I hate. Including the DMA. In its philosophy, I like what it's doing to tech giants like Apple and Google. I don't like where it fits in with all of the EU laws, basically. Anyway, now, zooming in on the DMA and Apple. Why do I take the EU stance here as the one being correct?

So the argument that you just said, like, is Apple's argument, mostly, like, basically, to be in compliance with the DMA, we would have to open up everything to the third-party AI providers so that they can work just like Siri AI on iOS and iPadOS. And that's a security nightmare. So there's two things I don't understand in Apple's position here is first, they say this, right?

They say we would have to open up everything and it would not be secure. And they also say we have a solution that would be secure and then the EU commission is refusing to allow us to implement, right? The trusted system agent, something, whatever. Yeah. Which I think that was the thing they said would take another 18 months. 18 months, exactly. To build. So I'm just highlighting this right out of the bat. Like they're saying both things at the same time.

They're saying it would be unsecure, but also here, we have a secure solution that they're not willing to accept. Okay, so I think I have a little bit of more information on this that maybe I can shed some light. So I think what they're saying, it's two different deals. In order to bring it to the EU today, we would have to basically just let every AI company in and do what they want. And the way the Siri AI works is it's not building a memory.md file. It's literally indexing your device.

In fact, I can see it on my devices right now. It's indexing your device. It's getting all of your information. do you want to trust open AI with all of that or grok with that? Yeah, I understand. That is where I think Apple is coming from for the today stuff. And then their second thing is they're like, hey, and I do agree with you on this. It's like they're like, hey, let us bring it to the EU today and we'll have something in 18 months that will work with all of these. And I can see where the EU is like, eh, we don't trust you, bro. You even need to have it today.

Or and like that I get like that that I do get like you either need to have that solution today and bring that to everyone or you need to wait until you have it. Yeah, that's the thing. So I was just highlighting that they're saying two things at the same time that it's impossible to do it in a secure way. And also we have a secure way that the EU is refusing. And just like you said, the reason the EU is refusing is because they're not able to do it before 18 months.

And if you look at the EU statement, the EU commission's statement from last week, and there's been another since, basically the same thing, they're still saying the same thing. What they're saying is, there's no way we'll let you roam the EU with this new feature that's not compliant with the DMA. You're supposed to obey the law now, not in 18 months.

And the spokesperson in question even says, basically, Apple was asking for an exemption and were not willing to grant an exemption. Yeah. So that's the thing. And there's also the thing that most people seem to forget here is that this is a law, right? It's in effect. It's been in effect since 2023. Apple has been subject to the law since 2023 for both iOS and iPadOS. iPadOS came a bit slightly later, but still. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

So, like, in 2023, they were still working on the first version of Apple Intelligence. barely and this scene started from scratch as we all know and anyway all of this to say they were they started all of this fully aware that it would not work out with the DMA which like if you take a lawmaker's position here a law enforcer's position even which is the commission's position.

This is not acceptable. What do you mean? You started working on something brand new that the law was already in effect. You already had all the terms of the law and you decided not to be compliant and to release it to the entire world except us and tell the world that it's our fault that it's ready in 18 months. What do you mean? And from that position, I just cannot understand how Apple can get away with this. You know what?

I agree. If you're not happy with the DMA, sure. With all the features. Honestly, personally, I don't really care. Just with all the features, that's fine. but the discourse that they're maintaining around this is so nefarious. I hate it so much and I hate that it's working so well with people because people are just repeating Apple's, when I say people, I mean most tech commenters

that are based in the US mostly, are just repeating Apple's rhetoric here without just thinking about it for two seconds. You can't just do a thing that is disobeying the law for 18 months. If you're not happy, go to court, whatever. Do something that's lawful that you can do. But just accusing the... Anyway, you get what I mean. Yeah, no, I do. And I agree with you for the record. I do agree with you.

I just, I see both sides and I see, to me, it's not that they willingly disobey. I don't know. Maybe I am buying into Apple stuff, but it's not that they willingly disobey. It's that in order to get a system that would be the level of privacy that they want and open like the EU would want, it's going to take another 18 months. Because I believe that, by the way. I don't think they can do this right now and be in compliance the way that would be satisfactory to them and to the EU at the same time.

I fully believe that they need another 18 months. The issue is they need the 18 months. Yeah. How come this is not anticipated? Clearly, they're prioritizing being able to ship this right now. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. 100%. now and we will get it to the places that it can go yeah versus and then we'll deal with everything else later i'm just saying from apple from the eu's point of view their position makes full sense to me

like i do not see a flaw in the eu commissions resigning with this yeah no and i do agree with you like if it's the law of the land that's the that's the law of the land yeah at least you live in a place that respects the law of the land. Anyway, and, you know, it's so frustrating for me because I hate those guys. They're the worst, like, right now. Maybe next European elections we will have a full left-wing

majority in European Parliament and the Commission will be all left-wing and I will be happy with those guys. Right now I'm not. But still, I think this is in the context of capitalism, of free market. I think the DMA makes a lot of sense and enforcing it makes sense, especially when you've got tech giants like Apple and Google who have monopolistic positions in the market. And the DMA is exactly that. It's meant to battle those monopolistic positions.

iOS and iPadOS have been recognized under the DMA as monopolies. And this is why the rules apply to them. And that's it. Yep. All right. Anyway. Anyway, should we get to... Yeah. So I was going to talk about the betas. Like, I don't think there's much to say because I was saying to you guys in our convo. So I installed it on my iPhone only for now. I almost installed it right before we got it, but I was worried for you, for your sanity. Thank you for not doing it.

We've had enough issues with Riverside lately. Thank you. I'll do it later. But yes. Have you installed the betas? How are they doing for you? I have the betas on just about everything right now. iPhone, iPad, watch, and the MacBook Neo. I do not have it on the MacBook Pro. The MacBook Pro will be the thing that gets updated at the absolute last. I will do it at the Vision Pro, on the Vision Pro at some point. I haven't used it since I got back.

Since I got back, I've had a whirlwind of family things happening, and it's been a whole deal. So I have not had a ton of time, but I have all the betas on everything. And I'm pretty happy for the most part. This is, you know, it was rumored that this would be a quote unquote Snow Leopard year. And while I don't, you know, Snow Leopard was not the no new features that they claimed, you know, that Steve Jobs said it was. There was actually a bunch of features in Snow Leopard. This kind of does fall along the path.

Like, there's a lot of stuff that's been cleaned up. Yeah, there's bugs. There's still bugs, but it's also developer beta one. But yeah, things are a lot faster, or things feel a lot faster, a lot snappier. I talked last week about, for example, in iPadOS, they did a lot of work on not just speeding up animations, but also on CPU runtime stuff, so that apps open faster, apps close faster, you can switch between apps faster. And it just, it does feel snappier.

It really does. I kind of agree. So I've only got it on my phone. And so the snow leopard thing, I think, yeah, it's very true. Like I installed it, was very happy about the new look of liquid glass. The slider all the way to the right. You get that tiger look, that brushed metal. Not really. I will say it looks very good on Mac OS.

I have it on the MacBook Neo. It looks good on Mac OS. You're going to be very happy. But even on iOS, I'm glad. Like, even on iOS, the toolbars, like, there are real toolbars when you scroll, so there's no weird illegible things at the top when you scroll down in apps. Bunch of little tweaks, visual tweaks here and there. The borders around the outlines, like the thin outlines around elements, icons, etc.

is weird at first, but then you look at all the screenshots and you realize, yeah, this is better. It makes a lot of sense. Like things detach from the background way more easily. Like visually, it's easier to distinguish stuff. And I wanted to update on something we mentioned last week. Remember, you mentioned, like, I will get the orb, the Siri orb, because I don't have Siri AI. And you're right.

When I first updated to iOS 27, I had the old Siri orb back when I invoked Siri. But now I've got the glow. Whoa. And I think the way this works is that when I first upgraded to iOS 27 Apple intelligence wasn't really enabled and then it got enabled by itself because there's no toggle anymore you can't toggle it off or on so it

turned on by itself in the background while I don't know iOS was doing its stuff in the background and now I've got the glow so that's fine I guess I've got the glow does it still say if you go into settings does it still say your phone is indexing yeah i've seen a lot basically everyone is still having that yeah yeah okay because federico and i are and i'll get to it in a little bit but basically i haven't been able to get third party apps to work with the siri app yeah yeah all of my devices still say indexing even my ipad

which got updated on monday and has been plugged in overnight every single night so yeah i wonder if just a visual bug? I wonder if it's actually done. It is still indexing because I literally can't get the... So I have access to the new Siri app. I have it. Yeah. And I cannot get it to work with third-party apps. Okay. Interesting. Because of this indexing issue. Yeah. Interesting. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because I just remembered, like, earlier today I was

typing in Spotlight the name of a shortcut and you could not fade it. Yeah, it's still indexing, yeah. It's actually still indexing. So we were kind of told, I was going to save this for my section, but it's kind of irrelevant now. We were kind of told ahead of time that we needed to update to 26.6 public beta. And I'm wondering if there's something in there that does the indexing ahead of time. Because I didn't do it until the night before the keynote. and I was supposed to do it like three weeks before.

So I kind of wonder if that is the issue. Wow. You think it actually takes that long? It just takes days and days. I think it does. Wow. I really do think it does. Because, I mean, like I said, either the indexing is broken in developer beta 1, which I would be shocked because that's such a core feature. i would be shocked if that's broken um or it just takes that long yeah and some of the search is

working so yeah yeah yeah and like i can work with third or first party apps so like i can get it to pull information from reminders i can get it to add stuff to notes calendar things like that mail i can get it to do stuff like that it's the third party apps i'm having issues with right now so interesting i've got this issue even though i'm not getting siri ai it's doing it nonetheless i think the indexing thing is is because so spotlight has been

completely rebuilt from the ground up it doesn't matter if you're getting siri ai or not spotlight on all the platforms has been ripped apart and rebuilt from the ground up so that's why i think it's having to do the index stuff all over again. Yeah, okay. Other things, other small things I've noticed that are really nice in iOS 27, the weather app. Have you seen the weather app? I have not, actually. Let's take a look. Slightly updated. So now, like, a few of the cards are merged. Like, not merged, but they are controlled

by a single set of toggles at the top. You can switch between conditions, precipitations, and wind. And it switches over the view for all the cards below. Like the three cards below. That's nice. This is really nice, yeah. Oh, wait. Hang on. So I don't dox myself. Switch to another location, you fool. Oh, yeah. You can. I forgot about that. Fly, you fools. Fly. Yeah. Yeah, it's actually really nice. Yeah. it's 80 degrees

it's 8 o'clock in the morning and it's 80 degrees that feels like it's 85 outside ugh it's so hot here that number makes sense to me that's freedom units by the way yeah another thing that I liked with iOS 27 is oh I can't find it anymore I had it open and I switched to the weather apps. Now I forgot what I was about to say.

Oh, writing tools. Oh, yeah. Writing tools are integrated like the kind of seamless before you had to pull up the writing tools sheet. I saw some people say it's gone. Actually, it's still there. It is still there. Yeah, I don't know why people said it was gone, but it's more integrated. The proofread stuff is basically it's a better proofreading model now. Yeah, it highlights the words that you can correct and stuff. It's nice.

One little thing that's nice when you speak French and English and use one phone in both languages is that... So you know how in French we have different quotes, like quotation marks? Okay, yeah. Yeah. Now, when using the bilingual keyboard, So if you've got both English and French set up in your iOS keyboard, when you tap the quotation mark, it will use the correct quotation mark depending on the language you're typing in.

So if I'm typing something in French, it will automatically use the French quotes and the English quotes when you're typing in English. Really small thing. But it's insane how much this is useful because, yes, I spend so much of my time going into the special characters to use the correct words. Oh, God. Okay, I'm glad that's there for you. Along the similar lines, dictation is so much better.

If you have an iPhone or device with the 12 gigs of RAM or more, you get the new local LLM dictation that is completely offline. And it is fast and accurate. I don't have to add punctuation through dictation anymore. It's not just one long run-on sentence. It is very, very good. Yeah. Okay, that's nice. Yeah, I never dictate stuff.

Oh, I dictate everything. I am a dictator. I'm a dictator, Niléane. yes um have you noticed i don't know if it's just me but the notification summaries the ai notification summaries have they turned it down yes yeah like in a major way and a major so basically all of the the apple intelligence stuff in ios 26 and earlier is changed.

The models have been updated. Now, they're still... If you don't have the 12 gigs of RAM, you still have the 4 billion parameter model. But from my understanding, it's an updated model. So it should be better, I believe. I don't... There was a lot of information thrown at me this week. In regard to the summaries, I mean, by toning it down, I mean, they occur way less often. Oh, maybe. yeah like it used to summarize for example you get two whatsapp messages so two notifications

it will summarize like it would try to merge the two right in the summary now like i feel like i need to get 10 10 notifications from from what from an app to for it to be summarized when it's collapsed when the notifications are collapsed 10 or maybe a bit less but like it's when when it's just a handful it's no longer attempting to summarize for me hmm interesting okay i think it's off to recurring less or something interesting okay that would be good yeah it didn't it never needed to be

as aggressive as it was that's for sure yeah i have a bunch of that turned off because i didn't like but i will i'll go through and turn some of that back on and check it out yeah i've always kept it on because i was having laughs it was it was pretty funny especially when like a group chat would pop off and it would be about multiple subjects it's just be like what is this yeah yeah otherwise there's plenty of small things uh i tried try creating a pass in apple wallet I'm disappointed

like it's fine it's good to have this feature but the templates so now in Apple Wallet right in the wallet app you can create a pass manually oh yeah do it manually or with AI but I don't have the AI option right now I'm not sure it's because that's tied to Siri AI and not Apple Intelligence for some reason I've seen some people they have a second button there instead of creating manually they have a button create with

I have a continue and create pass manually and if I hit continue it brings up the camera stuff so it's the visual intelligence stuff so it lets you take a photo or something and turn it into a pass oh yeah you can create membership and stuff like that I used to use a third-party app to create my gym membership in here. That would create a QR code and scan it. Yeah.

I'm guessing that's limited to English is why I don't have the option. Oh, that might be. But anyway, so I tried this. And so there's only three visual templates here. And they're all right, but we need more. We need more. Yeah, that's what I have as well is I have three templates. Yeah. And you can change the colors. Those are kind of based on the types of stuff that are in Wallet already. Like, is there more stuff that you can add to Wallet? But I mean, like, when you go and customize it, you have those options as the background, for example. Oh, okay.

So you have, like, you have seven different options as the background. I see. I see what you're saying. Yeah. And you can't choose anymore. You can change the color. So that gives you a bunch of variations. But the colors are pretty boring. It could be nice if you could add a logo or something. It's all right. It's all right. I think it needs a little more. Yeah. It's all right. Anyway, so that's it. I like it.

I will install macOS 27 on my Mac. My only Mac. So I have backups. I have so many backups. You know the story. Yeah, we've been over it. There's a Cozy Zone episode about our backup setups. Yeah, I'll have backups. So I had a couple of stories from WWDC I wanted to share with you. Okay. Did you kick someone? No, but I did challenge somebody to a race, sort of. Okay.

So the last two years, Apple has done a dinner for the press people the night before the keynote where we just kind of all go to a hotel. It's kind of like it's almost like back to school night kind of thing where you're like seeing all your friends and stuff because like once the keynote starts, it's like a hurricane. Like you just you see people as you as they're walking out, you're walking in, you say hi to people. Like you don't get to stop and chat with people very much. So like this is kind of a chance to just talk with everybody,

kind of have a breather before things start. So I'm at this dinner. I'm hanging out with John Federico, Mike, Jason, Dan Moren. Like, I'm hanging out with those guys. And I walk over to go get some food. And all of a sudden, the new guy is walking in. John Ternus. Oh. John Ternus walked into dinner. You could say I have had dinner with John Ternus. So that's the guy you kicked? No.

Who did you kick? I didn't kick anyone I didn't kick anyone Nobody got kicked Well I didn't kick anyone at least Maybe somebody else kicked somebody But anyway so he walked in And I took a photo with him Introduced myself just really quick There was a bunch of people that wanted to talk to him So I didn't want to take a ball this time But I did tell my PR contact I was like hey If you ever need a fluff piece For John Ternus I don't care Like you can accuse me of this being a fluff piece. It absolutely would be a fluff piece.

I don't care. But I want to do it. So the thing that came out, I believe it was in the Wall Street Journal or the Washington Post or something like that, when John Ternus got announced as the new CEO. Yeah, the portrait kind of. Yeah, he's a big race car driver. He races at Laguna Seca in his Porsche. I was like, I'll put my Mustang against his Porsche. Like, come on, let's do it. Like, come on. He'll dust me. I don't know what Porsche he has, but he's the future CEO of Apple. He has probably a way nicer Porsche than I can afford. So he would dust me, but that's okay. What did the PR people say?

They laughed at me. So anyways, I had dinner with John Ternus, kind of, sort of. From afar. I ate something there. If he ate something there, we had dinner together. that's how it works that's how it works I once had I once had dinner in a restaurant where I know that Macron had had dinner but was it at the same time no obviously not

oh okay no I would have left I would think you'd be like I stayed so that way when he walked past I could jab him with my fork no he's got the police in his camp nothing i can't do you need a mustang so they can't catch you anyways what no what did i say nothing uh so anyways that that was a story wwdc was great this year it was fun it's always fun to

like see everybody and hang out and it was a it was a wild year it was there was a lot happening oh poor you i'm so tired i have not recovered from it um but there was a lot this was the busiest wwdc i've ever had um to the point where i was in bed at seven o'clock tuesday night like i finished up my stuff i went back to my hotel room i got food and i didn't even try and get into the

mandalorian and grogu i didn't even because they were showing that at the steve jobs theater all Right. They were showing it. I didn't even try and get into it. I did ask one person what it would take, and they're like, you're asking the wrong person. So I was like, okay, all right. Well, I can't. I probably can't get into it. So anyways, I literally was so tired Tuesday night. I went back to my own home and fell asleep. I forgot that movie came out. I know. I've been trying to get you and Matt to watch it so we can talk about it. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was a fun movie. I'm sure I'll enjoy it. It's a perfect summer Star Wars fun movie.

That's all it needed to be. I don't know why everyone else think it needed to be like the next movie in the Skywalker saga that needed to be this big old thing. It did not. It did exactly what it needed to be. Anyways, WWDC was great this year, but I had a couple of things in the betas I wanted to point out. So describe a shortcut. I talked about it on the last episode as maybe not working so great, Um, but then I had my briefing after we recorded on that and I was thinking about it wrong.

And, and, uh, Federico and I were trying some stuff with it too. And we were thinking about it wrong. We were trying to prompt it like it was Claude. You can't prompt it like it's Claude. You can't write out like this big old long post of things you want it to do. If the best way to use it is just tell it the results you want. Don't tell it how it needs to do it because then that's when it gets confused. Just tell it the results that you want, and it nails it. It does a great job. Steven Robles and I were in the same briefing together,

and we were getting it to do things like prompt ChatGPT and Claude through their API, and it was one-shotting it. Give me an example. Literally that. We got it to one-shot using ChatGPT and Claude's API to prompt. We also one-shotted a clipboard manager. What else did we do? We one-shotted a really nice morning summary shortcut. The only thing it doesn't do is it doesn't work with third-party apps. It doesn't do that, and that's a bummer.

So, like, when you're saying you don't have to talk to it like it's a prompt, so, for example, if you want to create, like, a basic, I don't know. Well, let's use the morning summary one because everyone can understand that. So if you were prompting Claude or OpenAI or ChatGPT or Codex or whatever, if you're prompting that, you would tell it, every morning I need a summary of my day. I need this, this, this, this, this. I want you to go through and use the Todoist API to pull my task.

I want you to use the Google Calendar integration to pull my calendar. I want you to use whatever email app to find my important emails, look at messages, stuff like that. For shortcuts, all you would need to do is tell it, hey, make me a morning summary shortcut of my day. And it will pull calendar. It'll pull reminders. And if you want to get specific, you can be like, hey, make me a morning summary. Include calendar reminders, important emails, and important messages. That's all you would need to do.

You don't need to prompt it out. You don't need to give it the, hey, use this API or use computer use or any of that stuff. It'll figure it out. You just tell it the results that you want, and it will do a good job of it. I've not tried it yet because I think I have it, right? So, basically, yes, you should have it. It's not a part of the Siri AI. That technically falls into the Apple intelligence problem. Oh, yeah, there you go. What do you want your shortcut to do? And it is the default way of building a shortcut now. Something else that's...

Oh, okay. Okay, first time I've opened this. Okay, you can toggle back and forth between... You can toggle back and forth. The describe field and regular editing interface. So there's something else that's cool in shortcuts that I didn't get to in the last episode. Automations are now actions. They are not like this whole separate thing. I saw this. This is awesome. So what this means is, one, you can have multiple automation triggers.

Two, people like us that build shortcuts for other people, we can now build automations into the shortcuts so people don't have to manually go and set up the automations themselves. This is killer. And there's automations based on screenshots, notifications, and on the iPad if a keyboard is attached or unattached. And there might be more. I don't know. I haven't completely gone through everything yet. But yeah, like shortcuts. This was a big shortcuts year. Like there's a lot in shortcuts. Yeah. Yeah, this is nice.

The other thing I want to talk about is I mentioned earlier, I do have the Siri app. The Siri AI app. So this replaces Spotlight. Spotlight and Siri. Once you have the Siri AI app, Spotlight gets replaced and Siri and Spotlight are merged together now. And I love this. I absolutely love this. A big benefit of this is Apple completely rebuilt Spotlight and the Spotlight Index and all that stuff. And so it would work with Siri

and it is so much faster now. It is way nicer now. I haven't really tried it on the MacBook Neo. I just installed Golden Gate, poked around. It was still doing all the indexing stuff. So I haven't really seen how well it works, but I'm curious about that. So you're saying Tiny Start is dead? No, I think you need to start marketing Tiny Start as the launcher without AI. Like you need to start making that marketing now. Okay. Yeah, no, you need to get on that. Because it is very obvious

the Siri and the AI stuff is built into it. I see what it's like on the Mac. I'll believe it when I see it. I think it's pretty good. Now, one of my favorite things is you can now get to... Let me pull something up here. So when you have an app open, you can now get to Spotlight from anywhere by pulling down from the middle. Any app on the iPhone and iPad, You can now access Spotlight while an app is open. So excited about this.

This has been needed to be there for a long time. On the iPad, technically you could do it if you had a keyboard attached. You could hit Command Space. Before, you could technically have an app open, swipe down to get to the notification center, and then swipe down in the middle to bring up Spotlight. But it was a pain. Now it's just right there. So two questions. Really nice. So now you have to get to your notifications. You have to pull down from the left side, right? Yes, the left side, yeah. How annoying is that? Is it fine? It's not. It's fine. It's really not that big of a deal.

It's fine. It's just like getting used to control center, pulling down on the right side. It's really not that. Maybe I'm used to it because that's what you had to do on the iPad last year because of the menu bar. If you swipe down in the middle, that you would bring up the menu bar in iPadOS. So I'm already kind of used to that, but it's not that big of a deal. On the iPad, they did move, they did change how the menu bar worked because of this. I think they changed it because of the spotlight feature because spotlight was getting that swipe down from the middle.

So the menu bar is now that persistent thing, which I like. The Siri AI app, so far, so I've had it for a few days now, and it has completely replaced my use of regular Claude and ChatGPT. Not Claude code and not Codex. It's not an agent, but it's replaced my like, hey, this is where I go to search for something. Like I was looking for a restaurant and I just typed like what's around me, like what restaurants are around me. And it gave me a whole bunch of things and I found one from it. And I was like, this is great.

So I'm pretty happy with it. And I love that it's just built into the system. Like I can just hold down the button and there's the new Siri right there. And Siri sounds really good here. In fact, let's let's demo it here. Siri, I'm testing you out. What should I do with you? You can ask me to set an alarm, check the weather, or play some music. I can also help you with calculations, translations, and finding information on just about anything. So I think the new voice sounds really good. The setting to change how fast it talks and the pitch and stuff like that isn't available just yet.

But I think the new voice sounds really good. right now at least uh for me all i have the option to do is american voices and it's um kind of a male or female ish voice um that's all i really have right now it's it's and they don't even call it that it's just voice one or voice two like here i'll play them for you hi let's find the right voice for you i'll practice some things i like to say while you listen hi let's find the right voice for you i'll practice some things i like to say while you listen let me try this one

out and i i think they said they both sound very very good like probably like probably some of the best voice stuff that i've ever used yeah that's nice um but i mentioned so this is not an agent this is not a go out and do a bunch of tasks like it's really good at like handling a single task and then maybe chaining another task on top of it. But it's not an agent where it's just running in the background and doing things all the time. But at the tech talk, Michael Rockwell acknowledged that agents are a thing and they said their system is very flexible.

So if that's something you're wanting, I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up next year. Nice. I'm dying over here. I can see. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know it's that time of the year for you. Yeah. All right. Yeah, so I will be able to try Siri AI on the Mac. Oh, yeah, because that's not a monopoly. That's right. I didn't mean that. That came out kind of sounding a little meanish, but I didn't mean it like that. Yeah, according to the DMA. They haven't classified that as a monopoly. Oh, that's right. Okay, good.

It is available for us, but just on the Mac. Okay. So I will try that there. Regarding the spotlight, speed, yeah, I've been burnt before. I know, but they have told me they rebuilt it from the ground up. There's nothing carried over from the previous Spotlight other than the branding. The back end of Spotlight has been rebuilt. So I would give it another go. I know you make a Spotlight competitor,

but for the sake of the show, I would give it a shot. Well, of course, I will check it out. But also, Niléane, you need to get on making branding for Tiny Start non-AI app launcher. Like, you need to get on that. I'm not sure about that. You do. You really do. I'm telling you. Like, it will do wonders. Because every other launcher is going to have AI in it. That's true. And I'm not adding it to Tiny Start. I know you're not. I respect it. But yeah, that's kind of my end of WWDC recap kind of thing.

It's the Friday of the week of WWDC we're recording this. You're getting it the week after. But yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. And I need to get some videos posted. I had some stuff happen that caused some delays, but I need to get some videos posted. Hopefully, by the time you're all hearing this, I have some videos for you. Okay. All right. We didn't have a challenge this last week. No, it was because WWDC was weird. Nobody issued a challenge. But it is my challenge to issue for this week. Okay. And before I tell you what it is, I need to remind you what the tagline of the show is.

We're pushing ourselves outside of our comfort zone. We are, you know, we're challenging ourselves. Okay? Okay, you're not going to hate me? Promise? You're not going to hate me? What is it? All right. And it's pretty vague. So you can let it go in any way you want. You can interpret it any way you want. Come on, spill it. Let an AI run your life for the week. That's not possible. Yes, it is. How? Talk to it. Let it run your life.

Ask it questions. Whenever you have a decision to make, ask it what you should do. I'm not necessarily saying you need to follow it, but I'm just saying like, hey, when something comes up and you're like, hey, I need to go to the car wash. And should I take my car to the car wash? I'll run into limits all the time. I'm not paying for any of it. Oh, you're not? Okay, well, to the best of your ability. To the best of your ability. I will report back. Yep.

How low the limits are. That's fine. Look, I'm not saying you need to let it go off and do all the work tasks you need to do. I'm not going to let it take over editing videos in the podcast form. I'm giving it my job. It's official. Okay, there you go. You may find out it can do your job and you can go sit on a beach somewhere. That's good. All right. By the way, computer use, which you talked about, codex, computer use, all of that, not available in the EU. Yes.

I think we talked about this, but yes. Oh, we did. Yeah, not available in the EU. I don't know why it's not available in the EU. I don't know why either. I'm wondering why. I wonder. I wonder, no, it doesn't make sense. And they haven't even communicated anything about it. They're just in a support page, not available in the EU, and you don't know why. Well, stop being mean to the small tech companies. I'm pretty sure the EU hasn't done anything to them,

which is a surprise. So that's why I'm surprised. I wish they had done something to them, but they have not. like yeah i don't i don't uh i don't know about that but like i said i hate those guys so they don't do what i want them to do so you know yep all right well that brings us to the end of the show and uh i didn't write down the end of the show question do you have something yeah let me think about it uh okay oh how how do i okay wait wait wait wait Wait for it.

How many games of the FIFA World Cup will you be watching? Zero. How many will you be watching? I don't know. So here's the thing. This is a whole other topic. So I have always, in French, in casual French, when we say we like football, we say we are a foot-ex. A foot-ex. footiques footiques okay so I'm that not not too

deep into it but I really like football I've always I've always loved it and the World Cup is like a major event for me like I always anticipated I'm always super happy when it comes up and then 2022 came along and it was in Qatar where oh basically slaves built the stadiums and AC was put in the stadiums, in stadiums that were built in the desert.

So AC in the desert, that makes sense. And now 2026 came along and it's in the US for most of it. Also Canada, Mexico. Yeah, but in the US for most of it. And probably Trump will lift the cup at some point before giving it to the winners in the final. Yeah. So it sucks. I really like football. And if there is a year to boycott it, it would be this year. But yeah. Anyway, all of this to say I'm watching,

but I'm watching discreetly. I don't want to promote it. If you want to boycott it, I would encourage you to do it. But also I'm not doing it. So whatever. Yeah, I'm boycotting it. I'm, you know. Yeah, that's what you're doing. Yes. You know, I'm boycotting it so hard. I'm boycotting all of soccer. Oh, okay. Football, but yes. Soccer. So my TikTok feed right now is so funny because my TikTok feed is full of football right now.

And it's mostly French people and European people mocking the Americans, like the American supporters specifically. Like the U.S. supporters chanting, it's called soccer. It's called soccer. Oh, God. We are so obnoxious. Look, your crowd is the cringiest of all these. We are so obnoxious. Okay, listen, Americans, let's just let them have the World Cup,

and we'll all go to monster truck rallies and tractor pulls. Yes, I agree. We can go to the monster truck rallies. They have zero interest in it. We'll go to that. They're the ones missing out. They're going to sit there for like two hours getting excited over a no-score game, and we're going to be watching giant trucks crush cars. Like, come on. We win this one, obviously, but we'll just let them have that. And there's a whole thing with the MetLife Stadium in, what is it, New York, New Jersey? I have no idea. I think it's New York. Yeah, around there,

where basically you can't go there on foot. You have to pay transit and it's $120 for the trip. Are you kidding me? No. You can't walk to it? You can't walk to it because it's like across several highways. It's extremely dangerous. Oh, okay, okay. So there's a trend on TikTok where some European people are proving that you can actually walk to it. But it takes four hours and you risk your life multiple points doing it.

And also, when you get there, there's actually huge signs that say the pedestrian entries are forbidden. So once you walk the four hours, you can't enter the stadium on foot. You have to call an Uber to take you two minutes around the corner. Yeah, that's it. Anyway, all of this to say, I'm watching all of them. Okay, so speaking of Ubers and stuff, WWDC, Waymos are everywhere. Oh, really? The autonomous driving car, everywhere. Oh my God, I got stuck behind one.

It made me so mad because I was making stupid decisions. And they're expensive too to take. But like, I refuse to get into one. I am not a good passenger in cars. And a passenger in a driverless vehicle sounds horrible to me. Maybe it's liberating to be in a driverless car. I mean, you know your driver's not problematic and hasn't said anything racist on Twitter. Really? Yeah, because there's no driver. Oh, I guess that's true. Yeah, because there's no driver.

I was trying to think who is the CEO of Waymo, whatever. Oh, yeah, no, I have no idea. I'm going to go ahead and assume it's a he. I have no idea, but I'm going to go ahead and assume it's a he. He might be the most problematic person since Hitler, but I don't know. But I have no idea. Maybe they're the nicest person since, like, Julia Childs? I don't know. I don't know who's a nice person. But the issue with the games of the World Cup is that because of the time difference. Oh, God.

I'm looking at the schedule right now. So the earliest are at 9 p.m. for me. And most of them are at midnight, 3 a.m., 6 a.m., 4 a.m. Basically, everyone that cares about the World Cup is going to have to watch this at ridiculous. So this is like me when it comes to Formula One. I'm watching Formula One at ridiculous times. But I also know it's starting to become a more American thing. Like America is starting to care about it a little bit more. But like really like it's the other side of the world that cares about it.

At least the South Americans are probably happy. That's true. They love soccer. And they love football, yeah. They love soccer. Football, yeah. It's wild to me that the British invented the sport. They called it soccer, and it got so far away from them that even they call it football. Did they call it soccer? That's pretty misinformation. No, in the Ted Lasso episode, they explained that. Ted Lasso would never lie to us.

And Ted Lasso is a documentary, of course. It is. I don't know what to talk about. Anyway. All right. I will talk to you later. Yes. Have a good week. Everyone have a good week. Bye.